{"text":" Have you ever experienced Georgia? Sometimes in your life, but you think everything's fine.  Like relationships are fine and jobs fine and friends are fine and money, everything seems fine,  but why am I not 100% happy? What's wrong with me that I'm not happy? On the surface, I should be  deliriously happy, but usually you'll find it's one of your top values is not being met either  professionally or personally. Jane, welcome to the career conference podcast today. I'm absolutely  delighted to have you on. Can you give us a really quick, we're not even really quick, a snapshot  and overview into yourself, your background and what brought you here today? So, Jane, over to you.  Well, thank you so much, Georgia. It's lovely to be invited on your podcast, Career Confidence. That's  what I'm all about and it's been my career path for the past 24 years now, so that's quite a long  time. I've been around a long, long time and I've made many career changes and I've had a lot of  transitions in my life as well. But right now, I'm the author of Navigating Career Crossroads,  basically it's the A to Z of making a career transition, a successful career transition.  I'm also the host of your career podcast where I provide lots of career advice and also interviews  with fascinating professionals who've made interesting career changes because sometimes you feel  a little bit stuck in your career and you wonder, how did people do it? And so it's nice to share  their stories as well. I'm on LinkedIn, a great deal of my time because it works so well to  market my business and also to support my clients too. So, LinkedIn have named me a LinkedIn  Top Voice for careers. I share a lot of content about careers as well, but I wasn't always so confident  in my own business, all my own career because in the early days, I had absolutely no idea and  I've had quite an eclectic career path career journey. I've made five country moves which has  required a career reinvention each time and I grew up, my childhood home is Hong Kong and I went  to University in America. I've also lived in America in San Francisco for a year before moving to  London and then to Singapore, to Sydney, back to Singapore and then back to Sydney again. So  multiple career changes because of the location moves and not always because of choice, some have  been because of necessity as well, some work by choice and the ones that were not my choice  were the hardest ones to make, but in my only days, my very first job was with Korean Airlines.  I was the youngest member of the cabin crew of Korean Airlines at the age of 17 and I only  took on the role because my career's master at school told us all, now is it your 17, turning 18,  it's time for you to get some experience interviewing and so we were encouraged to apply for jobs,  not take them, but apply for them and I went through the process with Korean Airlines and I couldn't  believe that they offered me the job. So I told Mr. Foggan, my career's master, I'm off. Why? He goes,  no, you, you, you can't, you're supposed to finish school. No, no, no, no, this is the chance of a  lifetime. And when you're 17 to take to the skies, you think it's, you know, you're the business,  right? So I flew for a year and I realized that it wasn't actually my career path. So I went to,  I did my SATs to go to university in America and I went to America and trained as a graphic designer,  technical illustrator, returned to Hong Kong and found that they didn't pay you very much as a  graphic designer and the technical illustrator in Hong Kong. So I got into public relations,  working agency side and from there I moved to America for a year where I couldn't work, couldn't get  a employment pass. So just for fun, I took flying lessons and learned how to run and ran a few  half marathons, which was fun and then moved to London because I'm half British, half, half Australian,  dual citizenship. And so I'm able to work in London. And so I went to London and I joined  United Biscuits doing their PR as a PR officer, but now client side. So I got both sides.  And when I got married and I had my first child and I thought, oh, now I need a little bit of  flexibility. And so I trained to become a fitness instructor. And that started actually a really  good career journey as a fitness instructor, aerobics instructor. It was during the boom days  in the mid 80s. I've been around in a long time, Georgie. And so it was just the heyday for aerobics.  So I became an aerobics instructor. I became a personal trainer. I trained through  the dance education association of America and through move fitness, which was very much like  jazz a size back in the day. And I ended up getting a silver medal in the Nike National  Robic Championship and got a Nike sponsorship for several years in Singapore to promote  total body conditioning throughout Singapore, which was again great fun. And gave me a lot of  flexibility while my children, I had two children by then while they were growing up. And then  sometimes life just presents you with opportunities. And through a connection that I had and some of  the amateur drama that I was doing together with my children, I was given an opportunity to get  back into corporate training. I did a lot of training when I was working for United Biscuits  in the PR department and induction courses. And I really enjoyed the training. But then some  someone said to me, Jane, can you come along and just talk to my manager, whose head of organizational  development, the credits Swiss First Boston, because we need someone to train them on confidence  building. And I thought, well, there's an opportunity that's presented to me. Why don't I go along  and have a chat and find out what it's all about. And that ended up being three years of delivering,  yes, I can, a confidence building workshop. And they asked me to create. And from there, I thought,  you know, I really enjoy training. I enjoy personal training on the fitness side and the  robics, but the corporate side, it was something that was even more fulfilling to me. So I got back  into training. Another opportunity presented itself when someone said, Jane, I think you'd be a good  coach. I said, what do you mean? Well, I know someone who needs a career coach in this global  out placement business and they're taking on additional coaches, why don't you go and have a look.  Now by that time, as you can see, I've had quite a number of changes and children in between.  And by then I was 40. And when I interviewed at the age of 40 for this career coach, career transition  coach role, as I was going through the interview process, I thought, oh my goodness, this feels like  the thing that I've been really looking for for all of my life. And I clicked with my manager  immediately during the interview process and ended up being conversation more about values.  And what really drove us in our lives and I landed that role. And from there, that was  nearly 25 years ago now. And so I joined the global out placement organization. And over the years,  I gained additional qualifications and specifications and coaching. And now I run my own coaching  practice. So there's a long story for your Georgie. Well, thank you for sharing. I've actually got  so many questions for you because that's just, that's just an amazing story. So you've got, yeah,  and also it illustrates and personally I speak about a lot on this podcast is that people often  think that career should be linear. Like this is step one, step two, step three, step four,  to get to where they want to be. And often it's so not. And I love the way that you just kept on  up-skilling. It just seems to me that you went from being an air hostess to them,  running marathons, trying to learn how to flow planes, being a personal trainer, graphic designer,  like you've done it all coached. It's so fascinating to me. And I think that sometimes  people, I think they wait, they wait, they go right one day, I'll have it all figured out,  and I know what I want to do. But what was really interesting, and I think that the your story sort  of makes sense to me here is that when you were sort of a personal trainer, you learned to  probably perform, you learn to talk to people, you learn to coach because part of being a personal  trainer is also coaching. So that was an element that you learned through personal training.  And then I imagine you learned how to market yourself through being like a graphic designer,  a PR and learning all of that. So it almost made sense that you're sort of accumulating all  of these skills to then when the opportunity really presented itself, you were ready for it.  What's, is that kind of like a pattern you see when you're coaching your  students, you know, your career professionals or whoever you want to sort of call them. But  what do you see holds people back from like making the decisions and taking these steps to  to get to the outcome that they may or may not know they even want?  I think the biggest thing that holds people back is that they fear the unknown and they fear change  because I mean, change is constant. So we may as well embrace it because it's inevitable. That's  the only thing in our lives that we can guarantee no matter how good or how bad something is, it is  going to change. It's not ever going to stay the same. And so when an opportunity presents itself,  sometimes people think, oh, not now, not yet, or not me, or I don't think I can do it. But I  because of my own personal experiences as well, that if you are able to express yourself well  and people get to know you, they get to like you, they trust that you can deliver as well,  then you tend to find that opportunities do present themselves. And for me, I've been lucky,  but also I work very, very hard. And so in each career that I've had, I've tried to be the best  that I could be, not the best in the industry, because you know, that's a really hard ask, but just  my own personal best, whether it's running or whether it's designing or whether it's creating  a PR campaign or in anything, I just want to do the best that I can. And I've noticed that people  do recognize that because when someone says, oh, Jane, you did that well, I don't ever say,  oh, it was nothing. I'll go, thank you so much. I work so hard on that. And I'm really glad that  you actually noticed. So go me. So sometimes you have to back yourself as well. But it hasn't always  been a smooth path because I've been quite confused a number of times. And some of the changes I've  made have been very, very difficult. One of the changes I made was actually in my early 40s.  And that was when I went through a divorce. And I was living in Singapore at the time. And I had  teenage children. I have two beautiful daughters who are wonderful career women now themselves. But  so I was going through this divorce. I knew I couldn't stay in Singapore because of the employment  past situation. And I managed to get a self-employment pass for one year. But it would only renew  year on year. And I felt so insecure thinking any year, I could be asked to leave the country or not  have the past renewed. So I thought it would be better to move to Australia. So I uprooted my daughters,  my mother, who was living with me at the time. And my mom, I'm from Hong Kong,  my mom didn't speak English. She did not want to move to Australia. But we moved together with my  cat as well, who was not happy either because there's quarantine for a month when you bring animals in.  And I had to reinvent my career completely. At that time, I'd already started coaching. And so I knew  I wanted to continue with that. But in Australia, I had no network. I didn't know anyone. And I wasn't  sure how I was going to do it. Plus, of course, you had all the emotional turmoil of personal changes  as well as another country change. But I managed to decide who my target was, who I needed to speak to,  find people who would refer me to others to speak to them as well, just to keep expanding that  network. And I was able to reinvent myself as a career coach in Australia. And it really was  rewarding knowing that I was able to do it through sheer hard work and determination. And there  were times when I wanted to curl up in a ball and think, oh, I wish everyone would just go away.  And someone fixed it for me, but I knew that I couldn't do on my own. So having a total career  reinvention in my early 40s was, it was a big challenge. But I knew that if I didn't do it,  who else was going to do it? I had to do it for my family as well. And so it made a really big  impact on me and the way that I view things in the world. And I think it made me a stronger person  as well. Because now when my clients are going through a change and for them, there are multiple  stresses. There's never just one thing like I'm changing jobs and all there's been a redundancy.  Very often there's the personal side as well. And I had one one gentleman who came to me and  when I was joined to him, he shared that not only was there a redundancy, but his wife had recently  passed away. He had two children and his parents were aging and needed care. And so that poor man  had so many stresses one on top of the other. And through my own life experiences and transitions,  we could really empathize with each other. And I was able to help to coach him through. So  life experiences really give you those transferable skills to be able to use in your job, especially  as a coach as well. There's so much power in that story. And actually I love diving into people's  mindset. I think that this is honestly the foundation upon everything else is built upon.  One thing I can hear in your story is you have a lot of adaptability and resilience. So I'd  really love to understand maybe where that came from. If you could pinpoint if that's been created  or if you've always had that and what you think is how we can all build it. But I just also want to  just take a breath and hold space for that amazing transition, Jane. Like that is huge. And I think  that sometimes unfortunately we have to sort of wait for crisis for us to be pushed into doing  something that maybe we wouldn't have ever done had that not have happened. And I think when  you're in it, when you're in what I like to call the messy middle, everything can feel so intense  and nothing feels like it's going right. But that's when I remind myself this is where the growth  is. This is where when I'm over the bridge and I'm over the messy middle, I'll look back and go  with that hand of happened. I wouldn't be who I am today with all this new skills and wisdom  and knowledge to then apply to the working world to my coaching clients, whatever that may be.  And I think that there's so many people, especially right now with the rise of technology,  that are going to find themselves in a very, very scary place unknown, unsure, stark,  being made redundant, losing their jobs. Like we're not about to go for a period of life where things  are going to get any easier. I'm constantly posting on LinkedIn. You need to upskill. You need to  be ready. No one's coming to save you. You have to be in the drive and see if you're in career.  So talking about those skills of adaptability and resilience, have you always had them because  your story is just incredible. And I want to hold space for it because to go for a divorce,  to have children, to have your mother speaks no English, to move from Singapore to Australia and  start a business. That's massive. So talk to me. Have you always had it or have you built it over time?  I think it must be because of my early childhood experiences. And my father was in England.  And he was a Cambridge scholar. So he was very academic. And he worked at the Hong Kong University.  He was a deputy registrar at the Hong Kong University. My mother was just the most beautiful Chinese  woman who didn't speak in English. And my father learned how to read, write, and speak Chinese  because of his work when he first moved from the UK to Malaysia. He was enamored by Asia after  the Second World War. And he always wanted to go back. So he got a job with him in civil service.  And he got sent to Macau to learn Cantonese with a cohort of other civil servants who needed to  learn local dialects that would be spoken in Malaysia. So that's how he met my mom. And my mom  was buddyed up with him because she didn't speak English. And he had to speak Cantonese.  So he learned how to speak Cantonese very, very well. So they fell in love and got married. And so that  that was very happy story. But as I was growing up, we all spoke Cantonese at home. Dad was the English  scholar working at the university. And so dad was my guiding light. Mom was wonderful and loving  and caring. But I would learn things from dad. And unfortunately at the age of 49, when I was 11  years old, he passed away of a heart attack. And then life was absolute turmoil, complete turmoil.  My brother was 17 at the time. He was about to go off to uni in the UK. He failed all his exams.  The first year and had to retake them because of the emotional experiences that we were going through.  But at that time, I was 11 years old and mom was absolutely lost. And I could speak English and I  could speak Chinese and I could write English. And so what happened was we had to move out of the  university compound into an apartment in Hong Kong. But when my brother went off to the UK for  university, I had to look after mom basically because we had bills to pay, checks to write,  mom couldn't write English. So I was writing all the checks from doing the accounts. So I was only  11, 12 years old at the time. And money was quite tight. So I took on tutoring when I got into high  school. And I was very good at languages at the time. Can't remember any of my French now,  but at the time I was doing very well in French. So I was tutoring French and I was tutoring English  language and literature. Just for some extra money. And I found that, hey, I can earn a little bit  of extra money and help out. And I can help mom. And she's not on her own and she doesn't need to  worry. But basically, mom, as I said, was a wonderful woman, but she didn't need looking after.  And so I did. And I found that I grew up very fast. And I knew that I had to study and do well  and juggling. I'm a pretty good study. So I'll work hard. And I'm not naturally brilliant. I  just work hard at it to make sure that I can get good grades. But when that opportunity at 17  to actually get this job with Korean Airlines came up. And as I said, my career's master was like,  no, Jane, you're not supposed to. I'm like, I'm going, I'm going to earn really good money now.  Or what seemed like good money at the time. And so I went into my first step of my career  because I didn't know any better. I didn't have a plan. And even though there was a career's master,  he didn't know me and what would be right for me. So I think that's where the resilience comes  from, Georgie. It's just things happen and you just have to get on with it. And you could say,  woe is me and crumble in a heap. But I don't think that's a very good way of doing it. It's like,  okay, here are my options. What do I do? And sometimes you end up on autopilot. I honestly believe  I was on autopilot from the age of 11 when Dad died until I was 16 because I never cried. I remember  I never cried even when I was told. But when I turned 16, suddenly I started a bit of  introspection and thinking, what's happened to me the past five years? And that's when all the  emotion came out. And I remember there was one evening when I just was so upset that I had to  leave the house and I went all the way to a pulse bay beach and sat on the beach and just sat there  all night until the sun came up just thinking and thinking and wishing that I'd cried earlier.  And you know, it's, you can't bottle up your emotions if you feel upset about something. Yes,  you can get on with stuff that you've got to also acknowledge what you're going through because  otherwise you could end up with lots of mental health issues. And after that, I found it was really  quite cathartic. The sun came up and I thought, okay, I'm done now. I can now get on and continue to  do what needs to be done. And so, yeah, I guess thanks for that question actually, it's making me  think a little bit Georgie because I guess that's where the resilience came from because I knew that,  you know, if I didn't do something, who would? It's such a powerful story and I'm just trying to  identify why some people go on to have very successful careers and why other people struggle and  I think in this new world, these skills are going to be very, very needed and not that I worry  for the younger generations, but I think that, you know, tough times create strong people and good  times create weak people. And I think when you've gone through adversity and challenge in your life,  it does sort of, well, especially if you have got the right skills, tough and you want a bit, I guess,  and you are more adaptable and you can deal with these situations better. But I also agree what you  said, I think the, the older we get, the more wise we get, we learn to, emotionally regulate,  but also acknowledge that we're feeling frustrated, we're feeling sad and it's not  shying away from those feelings because they will catch up with us later. And I think that there's  going to be a lot of change like we keep on saying and going back to that gentleman that you  are speaking about because there's sure there's going to be people listening to this podcast  right now that might have just lost their job or might be going through something really tough and  maybe they are concerned about their career and what that means. It's like how do you, I guess,  guide and coach your clients to navigate these really tricky times? What are some sort of like  tools or steps that you give to those people who are struggling and are going to need to  get themselves back into the job market, feeling a bit deflated and feeling a little bit flat?  Well, first of all, if there are mental health issues, if it seriously is affecting you  and you're going through a transition, then obviously I'm a career coach, I'm not a psychologist.  So with duty of care, I'd need to refer them to the relevant professionals to be able to help  with that. And for most organisations, they provide you with EAP, should you be going through  a difficult time? But when it comes to the actual career side of things, well, that's where I come  into my own because I know that it is an emotional rollercoaster and there are days when you think,  no, I can do this. And then there are days when you think, oh, I just wish someone else would fix  it for me and or else I just want to run away. And that's quite normal. And I think the important  thing is is that if you're going through a transition, you need to really acknowledge that it's okay  not to feel okay all the time. And once you do that, then what I do is I take people right back to  foundations because the important thing is to know who you are, what you want, what you can do  and what you aspire to. And you need to have that career clarity. And what I usually do is I work  on people with people to identify what their true career anchor is because we all have one anchor  that pulls us in a certain direction. And if I've known what my anchor was back in the day,  I would have made some different career choices. And once I discovered my true career anchor,  which is dedication to a cause or service, it all made sense. I thought, no wonder I've made  the choices that I do because I'm always in service of others, whether it's serving 30,000 feet  in the air, if you want an aircraft or if I'm personal training and helping people to improve  their fitness, again, that's service. If I'm training that service when I'm coaching, it's 100%  service as well. So I'm now in a career where I'm doing exactly what is right for me. So for others,  your career anchor could be general managerial anchor, technical functional challenge, entrepreneurial,  a range of anchors. But once you know what that is, then you can ask yourself, is the decision  I'm about to make going to enable me to fulfill my anchor? Or will it take me away from fulfilling  that anchor? And combined with that, you need to know what your values are, your skills and knowledge,  what motivates you and demotivates you, what satisfies you in a working environment and not just  the job function, but the people that you work with, the location, the different aspects of the role,  the industry itself, whether it's meaningful to you or not. So once you understand what's important  to you and what's not important to you, what your skills are, what might be transferable or not,  then you can start to put a plan together to formulate your job search strategy, but you have to  start with that career clarity before you get the career confidence to follow the path that probably  is the right one for you. I'm thinking about someone listening to this right now and they're like,  this is all amazing, Jane, I don't have a clue. You know how some people, I don't know why, like,  when I speak to them, and you're probably famous as well, Jane, when I ask people what they want,  they instantly can tell me what they don't want. Well, I don't like this, I don't like this,  I don't want this, and I was like, that's great. But what do you actually want? I don't know many  people in life that can actually say their 10 second elevator pitch of exactly what they want  their life to look. And I think this is really, really important. I think this is the biggest life  hack that you can ever have. So if someone's really stuck right now, and they're like, I don't know  what my career rank career is, I don't know what a value. Where should they begin?  Okay. Well, I have a number of assessments. I can give them which guides them through.  What's interesting is that over the years, I've become qualified and I've used numerous  assessments from MBTI to LSI and Hogan assessment systems. And having coached now for just about  24 years, probably more now, I've distilled everything that I've learned into a number of very simple  PDF exercises, which I use with my clients when we start coaching. And they go, wow, these  are so simple, but they're not easy, Jane. I said, no, they're not easy because you need to think  a little bit and consider and reflect. And you might not have all the answers now. But once you  start considering what is important to you, then it makes it easier and for instance, if we're  going to go through a values assessment and a lot of people, they look at their values and you  can read lots of books that talk about, you know, assessing your values and you can read what  color is your parachute and there are numerous career transition books that are very, very helpful.  But when you look at your values and you decide, okay, these are my top five values. I like to take  people through an exercise, but if you had to compromise a value, which one would it be?  And then they have to really think seriously. And very often, I'll get them to use a post-it note,  you know, or several post-it notes and they'll lay out all their values in order of importance.  And I'll go, okay, well, if you had to compromise this one or that one, which would it be? And by the  end of the hard questioning, you'll find that most of the post-it notes will be moved around.  And they found the top five true, not negotiable values. And you know, have you ever experienced  Georgie? Sometimes in your life, but you think everything's fine. Like, relationships are fine  and jobs fine and friends are fine and money. Everything seems fine, but why am I not 100% happy?  What's wrong with me that I'm not happy? On the surface, I should be deliriously happy,  but usually you'll find it's one of your top values is not being met either professionally or  personally. And because it's a top value, if it's not met, of course, there's going to be that  discontent. And it's really interesting when you pinpoint which value is being compromised,  because that's when you think, oh, yeah, this person said that or that happened and I thought,  oh, never mind. And I brushed it under under the carpet. But as soon as you address it and you talk  about it, you'll find that you'll feel a lot more empowered to think, no, next time I'm going to say,  no, I'm not going to allow that to happen. And that helps. This is why the clarity helps with  the confidence, because once you know what's important to you, then you can start to explore what  might be the right environment or the right relationship as well, if you're going to talk personally,  as well as careers, what might be the right thing for you?  Just a one thing I've always struggled with. And I think values are something that I got really  clear on many, many years ago. And I can relate to exactly what you just said there, Jane, where  on the outside, I look like I was crushing it. I was in a corporate role. I was earning  fantastic money. I was in recruitment. I was a top salesperson, but inside, I was anxious,  overwhelmed, burnt out, exhausted, wasn't sleeping, wasn't prioritising my health and health has  now become my number one value, because I know what it's like when it's not. So it was interesting  when you said that. I thought, yeah, I know exactly what that feels like. But the thing that I still  find myself conflicting with, and we could turn this into a coaching session, so feel free to  roll thing on this, because I'm not be cut. And the reason I'm saying this is because I was out of  gathering the other day with a number of friends. And my friend and I were having this same  conversation, and then other women jumped in and said, yeah, I thought that's okay, there's a pattern  here. I sometimes feel like I've got two sides of me. One side is Georgie, who's very ambitious,  who wants to have this podcast, the number one, who wants to grow a massive recruitment agency,  who wants to go or best selling book, and all these things, I'm really passionate about. I'm  really driven to. Then I have this other side of me, this free spirit, this Georgie that wants to  walk on the beach, meditate, be in nature, drive in the ocean every day, and sometimes they go to  battle with each other, because I feel this desire to go after my dreams, or maybe what I think of  my dreams, that's a whole other topic in itself, I guess, but these ambitions that I have for my  career, my business, but then I also have this free spirit, who wants to ground herself in nature,  and be just a bit more of a float around a bit more, but the two sometimes collide,  because sometimes when I look at my calendar, I go, well, where's the time for that Georgie,  and she stops sometimes, gets pushed to the side, and then I get exhausted and frustrated again.  Have you seen that a lot in your coaching sessions? Is that common, or yeah, I'd love to get  your opinion on that? It's very common with the women that I coach, and I coached 50, 15 men  and women, and I think it's because as women, we want to prove ourselves so much, and sometimes it  can be a little bit of a battle, and we want to be able to make our mark, and you know, like plant  that flag in the sand to say, this is what I stand for, this is who I am, this is what I can achieve,  and I believe that there is a time and a place for everything, and you know, all of these things  that you want to do, you know, like fight a bestselling novel, and have your podcast, which you  which you which you run on. So thank you, it's such a honor to be on on your podcast, it's lovely,  and if it's the right time for you now, then now is the time before all of the other things in life  start to take over to get it done. For me, I did things the other way around, I had children quite  early, I was 26 when I had my first daughter, 28 when I had my second daughter, and my career kind  of fit around the children, but my number one value was health, because I've had a number of health  issues, and on now the age where I have to be even more careful with my health, and because I've  had some major health issues in the past, I've realized that if I'm not healthy, I can't look after  anybody else, so your health is most important. If you're oscillating between I want to do all of this,  but I'm getting so burnt out, and that's why I want to go and have, have, you know, a barefoot walk  along the beach, you should ask yourself, why am I being pulled in this direction, and yet pulled in  that direction, is now the right time for one thing or the other, and it doesn't mean that you  can't have it all, it just means maybe not yet, and if you've got that plan and you know that  once I reach this, then I'll feel like, okay, I can start to take a little bit of a break, but I mean  even when you're working really hard at anything, you have to take regular breaks regardless, so  just bunch that into your diary every day for, you know, a bit of meditation or breathing or  look after yourself, that's important, but if now is the time for you to hit it and get that book  written and you do all of these things before you focus more on the personal side, then get it  done because if you don't, you're always going to regret it, and I always think we need to live with  no regrets. Ultimately, you know, one of the things that's part of this career clarity pack that I  work on with my clients is that the ultimate aim, what is your mission, what's the legacy that you  would like to leave, what do you want to be known for? So like Georgie Hubbard, who are you, you want  to be a selling author, top podcast host, amazing recruitment consultant that's a global agency,  and oh, I didn't mention I was in recruitment for a year and I have to say it was because it was  heavily sales focused, that's not mean, and that was what got me very, very burnt out, because it was  very competitive KPI driven, and I'm a career, I'm just a woman fuzzy career coach,  collaboration is what I do, competition is not something that I hanker after so I get it that,  you know, it is very, very competitive, but so you think about, okay, if I, if this is what I want  to achieve, what else do I want to be known for? So do you want to be known as, you know, a wonderful  friend, a great daughter, you know, a loving wife, how important is that for you as well? So when  you know what the ultimate aim is, then you can reverse engineer. So hopefully, you know, there's time  for family and friends and enjoyment and love and all of those important things for us, but also  they need to be achieved not too, but at the end of the day, when you look back on your life,  what do you want to be remembered for, do you? A powerful question that I will definitely sit with,  I think that I feel a sense of urgency right now, which is why I do this podcast every week and  why I'm wearing a book right now is because I can see the way the world is going and I can see  the change that's coming and I can see all the jobs that are going to be obsolete and everyone's  going to need to upskill and reskill and rethink their careers and Jane, you're going to be  absolutely booked out because people are going to need to career pivot, they're going to need to  take their skills and work at what's transferable and put them into another industry and that industry  is going to be having something to do with AI machine learning and robotics and that's going to be  part of the new future of work. There'll still be other jobs that will not go obsolete due to AI,  but every single person's going to have to rethink the way they work and I do feel the sense of  urgency because I grew up in a very traditional family where mum didn't work, wish you worked part  time, dad worked and I'm worried that as women, if we don't really start taking our careers and  our finances seriously, we could get left behind and I just don't want to see that happen because  I've seen what happens when women do stay stuck, they don't have the financial means, they are  in marriages that they're being controlled and I don't want that to happen, so that's a real  driving force to me right now, so my legacy is to help as many women as I possibly can transition  into well-paying jobs, jobs of the future so they can keep their financial freedom and independence  because that's something that I'm incredibly passionate about as a female and as a female founder  as well. So that's probably where my legacy comes in and then I guess I now, 37, I don't have children,  I'm still debating whether or not that's going to be in my future but then as a woman, you know,  you sort of think, well, that's the tick-ticking clock, so then that sort of starts to play in your  mind and you go, oh, if you want this, which I'm still not sure I do, Joan, if I'm honest, I don't  know if I have got those naturally nurturing skills when it comes to having kids, maybe that will  change but then that sort of plays in your mind as well and I know there's so many women that think  the way I think because I speak to them, you know, like their career, their ambitious women,  they don't live with regrets but they're in their late 30s and they're like, God, like this is  so unfair, why do I have to now put this on hold and you don't have to put it on hold but you,  you certainly can't do it all well and I think that I've seen people try to do everything and they  put themselves at the bottom of the barrel, their health really suffers and they don't end up in  good places. So I think it's just, it's just something as women we all have to support each other  on and ask for help and ask for guidance and not be ashamed of having these conversations and  saying this out loud because it's something that I know a lot of women my age are thinking about  if they don't have children yet. So it's an interesting conversation but that's ultimately what I'm  passionate about about helping women get into position where their financials are secure. So they  have choice. I think choice is power in today's world. Yeah, I think you know when I really  wish is that in secondary school, in high school, they taught financial literacy.  A hundred percent. Only they did that because it's taken me a long time because there was none of that  when, I mean, it was such a long time when I was in secondary school but there was none of that.  We did accounting but then that was it and it was just tediously boring. It's one of the things  that I outsource in my own business because I can do it but I don't enjoy it. Some people thrive  on it but financial literacy is a skill that every child should have instilled in them and you know  the barefoot investor, you've probably read that book, it's got written by Scott Pake, is excellent  and he's got one that's for families to teach children from a young age how to be financially  responsible as well and delay gratification, you know, save for this then you'll have that later  which I think is a very important thing but for women that biological, my daughters are in their  late 30s now themselves and there's always this my career, this is the family, should I have children,  should I wait, should I have one more child or should I not and it makes it so difficult because  especially with couples now if you want to own your own home as well then you probably need the  dual income and you need the dual income in order to be able to afford your mortgage because  the housing crisis, I mean everything is very expensive especially if you want to live in the  big cities here in Australia and so it's almost like I want a family but then you know I still  need to work because I need to pay the mortgage and there's so much juggle and I'm really glad  that more and more women are voicing their concerns and are also supporting each other because  it's important to know that you're not alone when you're going through that process and I know that  when I was going through my divorce because I was changing country I didn't know a lot of people  here at the time it was it's really hard when you don't have someone to talk to who's done it  who's going through something similar to you just so that you feel that you're not the only one  and I always encourage when I have a program called the career success program which is a membership  program and whenever we have our regular live zoom coaching calls that's part of the component  of the program I always encourage everybody to connect with each other on LinkedIn support each  other talk to each other in between coaching calls as well because sometimes it's just that little  bit of that courage you get when you know that oh someone else is struggling with the same thing  that I'm feeling as well and I think the community that your your building Georgie is very valuable  especially because you're you're working now with mid-career women yes yeah and I work with  mid-career men and women but very many of them are slightly more mature and they're worried about  ageism in the workplace now and because I'm in my mid 60s I'm thinking oh ageism it's it's a problem  if you think that it's a problem because there's always a way to reinvent so that you can still  stay relevant but a hundred percent with AI and the changes the number of people who are going  through redundancies now because the jobs have been made redundant because of the technological  changes if we don't stay up to speed with what is changing or at least be aware and understand  why this is what businesses are adopting will feel resentful because it'll be like we're  ostriches putting our heads in the sand it's changing you may as well embrace it AI I think is  a great tool for productivity but don't use it as a crutch some people are now really using  as a crutch I see too many AI generated post-son linked I mean you can tell  when someone hasn't written something themselves I think it's a bit sad because I like individual  creativity as well but do use it as a tool it'll save you a lot of time but make sure the creativity  is still your own and in fact one of the you know how there's a saying you can't teach an old dog  new tricks well I'm always learning something new every year I try to get a new certification or  learn something new I've created a my own GPT so I've got Jane career coach GPT and it's based on  my book navigating career crossroads and because I spent a year back in 2014 writing navigating  career crossroads it's in its third edition now there's so much content in there that was basically  a brain dump of everything I coached people on for many years and getting the clarity and  the job search strategies and negotiation et cetera the GPT taps into the knowledge that's in  my book and I thought well that's very nice because people who well first of all my mission is  to make careers guidance accessible and affordable to everybody who needs it that's what really  drives me why I wrote the book in the first place and now with this GPT that knowledge is there  people can just ask and it brings me joy to know that someone is able to get assistance you know  so easily they can either read the book or else they can tap into the GPT and it's it's so easy  but then if they need that one-on-one support you know and that emotional support and accountability  to get to where they want to be then there's the option of the one-on-one coaching or the  career success program too so it's it's like lots of different options and I'm able to have these  options because of technology so technology is not something to be feared learn how to use it  properly and it will benefit you and your career as well perfectly said Jane and I love it and  just a side note as well and you said you say you're 65 yes oh my god if people watch this  on video Jane looks about 40 seriously no you look fabulous 65 years young that's amazing  but look you you've touched upon something amazing as well which is the career transitions and  this is just one of one I really want to sort of like drive family people where because  there are going to be a lot of people career professionals that are going to have to career pivot  change careers right so do you have any frameworks or any advice when when we sort of look at  our transferable skills is there a sort of a framework you use to help people identify them  and then think how can I apply this into a tech role or a new opportunity that could open up  oh absolutely in my career clarity pack this is one of the processes that I take people through  you can do it on your own and get the pack on your own or else through coaching I guide them through  it but the number one thing is first of all identify your career anchor because there is a pool  what I want is not for you to feel like you need to make a change because it's a push out of where  you are and you're running away from something because you don't like it it needs to be a pull  towards a certain direction because it feels right for you and knowing what your anchor is really  makes that difference then assess where are you at in your life right now now you talked about  all the different things that you want for yourself in your life and you being pulled in this way  in that way well do a life inventory this is part of what I do is what's going on in your  relationships with your physical and mental health with your finances with your career and also  your physical environment what is a tick okay what is something that you might be tolerating about  one of those five aspects in your life so if you take an inventory then you can see where you're  at in your life right now what's working what's not working and I'm still a work in progress you know  I go through the life inventory with my clients and I'll go don't worry if you don't get you know  100% on everything because we all have something else that we might be tolerating that once you're  made aware of it then you can take action to do something about it then after that we go into the  career side what are the values that drive you in your career what are the satisfies are important  to with regard to the people you work with the type of boss the type of in you know work environment  the industry the company what is satisfying and what is dissatisfying in each of the roles  you've had in your career so far there will be a common thread and when we find the common thread  that's motivating that starts to give you that little bit of insight into this this could work for  me if I can replicate it elsewhere and then of course what have you done that actually has made  a positive difference at work so I'm talking about your tangible accomplishments now did you  save time save money streamline processes mitigate risk invent something new recommend something  influence something if there's anything that you've done that has had a positive outcome  jot those down as well because then you'll know what it is that feels satisfying and is a benefit  and you can leverage that into the next role I like to break down each accomplishment to identify what  the transferable skills would be and they're the human skills you know it's the communication  the negotiation the influence your sense of humor things like that that make you a little bit  different from everybody else because looking for that unique selling proposition is is such a  challenge for most of us we don't know you know hey I just did my job I don't know what makes me  special and more often than not what makes you special will probably be your attitude and the way  that you approach things so that that's the process that I take people through and once they've  assessed all of that and they also have identified where they want to ultimately be and be known  for and remembered for at the end of their days then they can start to plot the path forward  and sometimes it's it's never linear that's one of the myths about careers in the past you know  a a job for like in Japan it was the salary mentality you know you join a company and then you  get promoted and promoted the long he worked you get more money and then you retire and then  you drink lots of soju or something or sake or other but that's that's no longer a thing you  know there is no job for life and most of us will have a portfolio career where we may make a  bit of a change and a bit of a pivot I'll tell you when when COVID hit and so many people were  stood down I was never busier than during those COVID years because so many people were working  from home or else they had been stood down or furloughed and they were thinking what am I doing  why was I working there I didn't even like it in the first place it wasn't for me and that's why  I was so busy because everyone was exploring and thinking about making that that pivot but they  didn't know how but the key is to find out what are the skills that you've got that really  can be transferable into a different industry so planets step by step to get to the next stage  I really love how you've just broken that dam that's really powerful and I think that it's really  understanding again what have you achieved in your current role would also people say about you  like how would someone describe you I think that's really key as well and it's we just we're so quick  I think to maybe judge ourselves too harshly and actually there's so many skills that we have  like we might be somebody that like maybe I was thinking about someone as you were speaking then  about and she didn't even know she did it but she was always somebody that was so thoughtful and  anyone any time that there was like a someone's birthday in the office she was the one that went  out and organized or the cake and where we were going to go out for some drinks that evening and  it was just such a natural skill that she had and I think she's gone into like event planning  or something she got out recruitment and she went and did something like there was like really  in her wheelhouse and she just loves it because she's really good at being organized and she loves  helping other people and and and bring a joy to others and that was definitely a transferable  skill she never worked an event planning in her life but she naturally had this ability just to  sort of like want to make people feel special was super organized and that's not me I forget  people's birthday it's all the time I'm like oh god it's my mother's birthday today hi mom  so it's like that wouldn't be for me but you know I for then I think that yeah it's it's it's  identifying what do you do naturally as well you know like and I think that it's so many people  I think focus too much on the hard skills oh I don't have any I don't have a software engineer  and degree I can't get into tech it's like that is just such a small part and in recruitment I keep  getting asked for Jane more critical I'm going to call them skills then hard skills you know  businesses know they're going to have to upskill people businesses know they're not going to get  the perfect resume coming through they know they're going to have to offer people the opportunity  to upskill which is why they need people who are adaptable why they need people who are resilient  why they need people who are growth minded and open to learning and curious these are also the  skills of the future not just machine learning algorithms robotics AI yes that's the hard skills  and I highly recommend people go in have a play around with the tools are out there that we need  to focus more on all of our human skills and these are the skills that most companies in the future  are really going to be focused on when they're interviewing somebody and I keep on telling people  who listen to the podcast and all of the amazing people I speak to daily in recruitment don't  neglect these skills because they're absolutely critical in the future of work so thank you for  breaking that down because we all have transferable skills that are needed in the future of work  but Jane final question I think we've covered a lot of ground today and I'm going to have you back  on by the way because I do feel like there's so much more I can speak to you about and like I said  as the world speeds up and more people are going to have to career pivot well maybe just your whole  episode on that and itself but is there anything we haven't spoken about today that you think is  really important that you know mid-level career professionals know think about ponder over  before we close out today's episode I think self-belief is very very important because when you doubt  yourself you're going to hesitate and when you hesitate you will feel uncertain and unsure of  yourself and you'll start to get that little monkey brain going going no you can't no you can't  or that little fellow sits on your shoulder you know the self-limiting belief saying oh you're  not going to be able to do it you're going to fail all of those terrible little voices in our head  so the important thing is and I always tell this to my client is self-limiting belief most people  have got the self-limiting belief sitting on their shoulder and they allow that belief to keep  talking to them you've got to knock it off your shoulder and say go away I'm going to give it a go  because inertia is just it breeds more inertia doesn't it the only thing that's going to move you  forward is action so think about what is the one little thing that you can do that's going to be  positive today is it to write down a positive affirmation or is it to write down the good thing  that you did at work today or did someone compliment you or whatever it is right at the end of each day  write down the one thing that you're the most proud of keep a record of it and at the end of the  week write down all the accomplishments that you've achieved because if you keep a little  brag book or such then when you need it you can use it to put into your resume too many people still  have a responsibility based resume rather than an accomplishment based resume and just working  on your resume it's a huge confidence booster if you identify the problems you encountered what  you did what actions you took in order to overcome those problems and what was the result once you  know that you can create a bullet point for your resume and it gives you talking points when they  ask you behavioral questions it a little bit of self-reflection will help you to build yourself  belief and if you find you can't do on your own then get help from you know people like Georgie  or all like me or a really good friend who believes in you. Solid advice Jane thank you so much  where can I send people to find out more about you grab your book and yeah and hopefully sort of  access your coaching program so where can I send them Jane. Ah just to Jane Jackson coach.com  or else you can google me Jane Jackson career coach you'll find me I tend to pop up all over the  place and LinkedIn is a really good place to reach out and connect with the unlinked in I have  my your career newsletter as well as the your career podcast with Jane Jackson and you can listen  to any of the advice and interviews and actually Georgie I should have you on my podcast too. So  there you go I think we've got plenty to share. We have let's let's make it happen Jane thank you so  much it's been a pleasure. Thank you but it's actually me.","word_count":11090,"segments":[{"start":0,"end":4.16,"text":" Have you ever experienced Georgia? 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Sometimes in your life, but you think everything's fine.\n\n2\n00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:09.679\n Like relationships are fine and jobs fine and friends are fine and money, everything seems fine,\n\n3\n00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:15.919\n but why am I not 100% happy? What's wrong with me that I'm not happy? On the surface, I should be\n\n4\n00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:22.240\n deliriously happy, but usually you'll find it's one of your top values is not being met either\n\n5\n00:00:22.240 --> 00:00:34.799\n professionally or personally. Jane, welcome to the career conference podcast today. I'm absolutely\n\n6\n00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:41.520\n delighted to have you on. Can you give us a really quick, we're not even really quick, a snapshot\n\n7\n00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:48.880\n and overview into yourself, your background and what brought you here today? So, Jane, over to you.\n\n8\n00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:54.960\n Well, thank you so much, Georgia. It's lovely to be invited on your podcast, Career Confidence. That's\n\n9\n00:00:54.960 --> 00:01:02.400\n what I'm all about and it's been my career path for the past 24 years now, so that's quite a long\n\n10\n00:01:02.400 --> 00:01:07.200\n time. I've been around a long, long time and I've made many career changes and I've had a lot of\n\n11\n00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:12.480\n transitions in my life as well. But right now, I'm the author of Navigating Career Crossroads,\n\n12\n00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:17.439\n basically it's the A to Z of making a career transition, a successful career transition.\n\n13\n00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:22.719\n I'm also the host of your career podcast where I provide lots of career advice and also interviews\n\n14\n00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:28.480\n with fascinating professionals who've made interesting career changes because sometimes you feel\n\n15\n00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:34.079\n a little bit stuck in your career and you wonder, how did people do it? And so it's nice to share\n\n16\n00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:40.400\n their stories as well. I'm on LinkedIn, a great deal of my time because it works so well to\n\n17\n00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:45.920\n market my business and also to support my clients too. So, LinkedIn have named me a LinkedIn\n\n18\n00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:53.439\n Top Voice for careers. I share a lot of content about careers as well, but I wasn't always so confident\n\n19\n00:01:53.439 --> 00:02:00.959\n in my own business, all my own career because in the early days, I had absolutely no idea and\n\n20\n00:02:00.960 --> 00:02:08.000\n I've had quite an eclectic career path career journey. I've made five country moves which has\n\n21\n00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:15.600\n required a career reinvention each time and I grew up, my childhood home is Hong Kong and I went\n\n22\n00:02:15.600 --> 00:02:21.920\n to University in America. I've also lived in America in San Francisco for a year before moving to\n\n23\n00:02:21.920 --> 00:02:28.240\n London and then to Singapore, to Sydney, back to Singapore and then back to Sydney again. So\n\n24\n00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:34.800\n multiple career changes because of the location moves and not always because of choice, some have\n\n25\n00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:39.920\n been because of necessity as well, some work by choice and the ones that were not my choice\n\n26\n00:02:39.920 --> 00:02:46.080\n were the hardest ones to make, but in my only days, my very first job was with Korean Airlines.\n\n27\n00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:52.560\n I was the youngest member of the cabin crew of Korean Airlines at the age of 17 and I only\n\n28\n00:02:52.640 --> 00:02:59.039\n took on the role because my career's master at school told us all, now is it your 17, turning 18,\n\n29\n00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:04.960\n it's time for you to get some experience interviewing and so we were encouraged to apply for jobs,\n\n30\n00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:11.360\n not take them, but apply for them and I went through the process with Korean Airlines and I couldn't\n\n31\n00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:16.719\n believe that they offered me the job. So I told Mr. Foggan, my career's master, I'm off. Why? He goes,\n\n32\n00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:21.360\n no, you, you, you can't, you're supposed to finish school. No, no, no, no, this is the chance of a\n\n33\n00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:26.080\n lifetime. And when you're 17 to take to the skies, you think it's, you know, you're the business,\n\n34\n00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:33.840\n right? So I flew for a year and I realized that it wasn't actually my career path. So I went to,\n\n35\n00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:40.240\n I did my SATs to go to university in America and I went to America and trained as a graphic designer,\n\n36\n00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:47.440\n technical illustrator, returned to Hong Kong and found that they didn't pay you very much as a\n\n37\n00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:52.079\n graphic designer and the technical illustrator in Hong Kong. So I got into public relations,\n\n38\n00:03:52.079 --> 00:03:58.719\n working agency side and from there I moved to America for a year where I couldn't work, couldn't get\n\n39\n00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:04.719\n a employment pass. So just for fun, I took flying lessons and learned how to run and ran a few\n\n40\n00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:12.400\n half marathons, which was fun and then moved to London because I'm half British, half, half Australian,\n\n41\n00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:19.280\n dual citizenship. And so I'm able to work in London. And so I went to London and I joined\n\n42\n00:04:19.280 --> 00:04:25.519\n United Biscuits doing their PR as a PR officer, but now client side. So I got both sides.\n\n43\n00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:32.399\n And when I got married and I had my first child and I thought, oh, now I need a little bit of\n\n44\n00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:39.439\n flexibility. And so I trained to become a fitness instructor. And that started actually a really\n\n45\n00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:45.120\n good career journey as a fitness instructor, aerobics instructor. It was during the boom days\n\n46\n00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:52.879\n in the mid 80s. I've been around in a long time, Georgie. And so it was just the heyday for aerobics.\n\n47\n00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:58.319\n So I became an aerobics instructor. I became a personal trainer. I trained through\n\n48\n00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:05.600\n the dance education association of America and through move fitness, which was very much like\n\n49\n00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:11.840\n jazz a size back in the day. And I ended up getting a silver medal in the Nike National\n\n50\n00:05:11.840 --> 00:05:17.040\n Robic Championship and got a Nike sponsorship for several years in Singapore to promote\n\n51\n00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:23.760\n total body conditioning throughout Singapore, which was again great fun. And gave me a lot of\n\n52\n00:05:23.760 --> 00:05:29.760\n flexibility while my children, I had two children by then while they were growing up. And then\n\n53\n00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:39.120\n sometimes life just presents you with opportunities. And through a connection that I had and some of\n\n54\n00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:44.159\n the amateur drama that I was doing together with my children, I was given an opportunity to get\n\n55\n00:05:44.159 --> 00:05:48.959\n back into corporate training. I did a lot of training when I was working for United Biscuits\n\n56\n00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:54.480\n in the PR department and induction courses. And I really enjoyed the training. But then some\n\n57\n00:05:54.480 --> 00:06:00.000\n someone said to me, Jane, can you come along and just talk to my manager, whose head of organizational\n\n58\n00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:06.480\n development, the credits Swiss First Boston, because we need someone to train them on confidence\n\n59\n00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:12.240\n building. And I thought, well, there's an opportunity that's presented to me. Why don't I go along\n\n60\n00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:18.080\n and have a chat and find out what it's all about. And that ended up being three years of delivering,\n\n61\n00:06:18.080 --> 00:06:23.920\n yes, I can, a confidence building workshop. And they asked me to create. And from there, I thought,\n\n62\n00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:29.920\n you know, I really enjoy training. I enjoy personal training on the fitness side and the\n\n63\n00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:36.560\n robics, but the corporate side, it was something that was even more fulfilling to me. So I got back\n\n64\n00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:42.480\n into training. Another opportunity presented itself when someone said, Jane, I think you'd be a good\n\n65\n00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:49.280\n coach. I said, what do you mean? Well, I know someone who needs a career coach in this global\n\n66\n00:06:49.280 --> 00:06:53.440\n out placement business and they're taking on additional coaches, why don't you go and have a look.\n\n67\n00:06:53.440 --> 00:06:58.880\n Now by that time, as you can see, I've had quite a number of changes and children in between.\n\n68\n00:06:58.880 --> 00:07:06.400\n And by then I was 40. And when I interviewed at the age of 40 for this career coach, career transition\n\n69\n00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:13.120\n coach role, as I was going through the interview process, I thought, oh my goodness, this feels like\n\n70\n00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:20.959\n the thing that I've been really looking for for all of my life. And I clicked with my manager\n\n71\n00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:26.720\n immediately during the interview process and ended up being conversation more about values.\n\n72\n00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:33.840\n And what really drove us in our lives and I landed that role. And from there, that was\n\n73\n00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:41.120\n nearly 25 years ago now. And so I joined the global out placement organization. And over the years,\n\n74\n00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:46.800\n I gained additional qualifications and specifications and coaching. And now I run my own coaching\n\n75\n00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:54.639\n practice. So there's a long story for your Georgie. Well, thank you for sharing. I've actually got\n\n76\n00:07:55.600 --> 00:08:00.560\n so many questions for you because that's just, that's just an amazing story. So you've got, yeah,\n\n77\n00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:06.399\n and also it illustrates and personally I speak about a lot on this podcast is that people often\n\n78\n00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:10.000\n think that career should be linear. Like this is step one, step two, step three, step four,\n\n79\n00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:15.519\n to get to where they want to be. And often it's so not. And I love the way that you just kept on\n\n80\n00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:20.079\n up-skilling. It just seems to me that you went from being an air hostess to them,\n\n81\n00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:24.560\n running marathons, trying to learn how to flow planes, being a personal trainer, graphic designer,\n\n82\n00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:30.720\n like you've done it all coached. It's so fascinating to me. And I think that sometimes\n\n83\n00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:37.519\n people, I think they wait, they wait, they go right one day, I'll have it all figured out,\n\n84\n00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:42.319\n and I know what I want to do. But what was really interesting, and I think that the your story sort\n\n85\n00:08:42.319 --> 00:08:46.240\n of makes sense to me here is that when you were sort of a personal trainer, you learned to\n\n86\n00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:51.120\n probably perform, you learn to talk to people, you learn to coach because part of being a personal\n\n87\n00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:55.039\n trainer is also coaching. So that was an element that you learned through personal training.\n\n88\n00:08:55.039 --> 00:08:59.039\n And then I imagine you learned how to market yourself through being like a graphic designer,\n\n89\n00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:03.120\n a PR and learning all of that. So it almost made sense that you're sort of accumulating all\n\n90\n00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.840\n of these skills to then when the opportunity really presented itself, you were ready for it.\n\n91\n00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:13.039\n What's, is that kind of like a pattern you see when you're coaching your\n\n92\n00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:19.039\n students, you know, your career professionals or whoever you want to sort of call them. But\n\n93\n00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:23.840\n what do you see holds people back from like making the decisions and taking these steps to\n\n94\n00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:27.840\n to get to the outcome that they may or may not know they even want?\n\n95\n00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:35.360\n I think the biggest thing that holds people back is that they fear the unknown and they fear change\n\n96\n00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:41.120\n because I mean, change is constant. So we may as well embrace it because it's inevitable. That's\n\n97\n00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:47.120\n the only thing in our lives that we can guarantee no matter how good or how bad something is, it is\n\n98\n00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:53.040\n going to change. It's not ever going to stay the same. And so when an opportunity presents itself,\n\n99\n00:09:53.039 --> 00:10:00.480\n sometimes people think, oh, not now, not yet, or not me, or I don't think I can do it. But I\n\n100\n00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:07.919\n because of my own personal experiences as well, that if you are able to express yourself well\n\n101\n00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:12.719\n and people get to know you, they get to like you, they trust that you can deliver as well,\n\n102\n00:10:12.719 --> 00:10:18.240\n then you tend to find that opportunities do present themselves. And for me, I've been lucky,\n\n103\n00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:27.120\n but also I work very, very hard. And so in each career that I've had, I've tried to be the best\n\n104\n00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:32.560\n that I could be, not the best in the industry, because you know, that's a really hard ask, but just\n\n105\n00:10:32.560 --> 00:10:37.759\n my own personal best, whether it's running or whether it's designing or whether it's creating\n\n106\n00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:44.799\n a PR campaign or in anything, I just want to do the best that I can. And I've noticed that people\n\n107\n00:10:44.800 --> 00:10:50.560\n do recognize that because when someone says, oh, Jane, you did that well, I don't ever say,\n\n108\n00:10:50.560 --> 00:10:56.000\n oh, it was nothing. I'll go, thank you so much. I work so hard on that. And I'm really glad that\n\n109\n00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:04.320\n you actually noticed. So go me. So sometimes you have to back yourself as well. But it hasn't always\n\n110\n00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:11.120\n been a smooth path because I've been quite confused a number of times. And some of the changes I've\n\n111\n00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:19.120\n made have been very, very difficult. One of the changes I made was actually in my early 40s.\n\n112\n00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:23.840\n And that was when I went through a divorce. And I was living in Singapore at the time. And I had\n\n113\n00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:29.519\n teenage children. I have two beautiful daughters who are wonderful career women now themselves. But\n\n114\n00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:35.440\n so I was going through this divorce. I knew I couldn't stay in Singapore because of the employment\n\n115\n00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:41.280\n past situation. And I managed to get a self-employment pass for one year. But it would only renew\n\n116\n00:11:41.280 --> 00:11:48.400\n year on year. And I felt so insecure thinking any year, I could be asked to leave the country or not\n\n117\n00:11:48.400 --> 00:11:55.360\n have the past renewed. So I thought it would be better to move to Australia. So I uprooted my daughters,\n\n118\n00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:59.440\n my mother, who was living with me at the time. And my mom, I'm from Hong Kong,\n\n119\n00:11:59.920 --> 00:12:05.200\n my mom didn't speak English. She did not want to move to Australia. But we moved together with my\n\n120\n00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:11.840\n cat as well, who was not happy either because there's quarantine for a month when you bring animals in.\n\n121\n00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:18.560\n And I had to reinvent my career completely. At that time, I'd already started coaching. And so I knew\n\n122\n00:12:18.560 --> 00:12:24.960\n I wanted to continue with that. But in Australia, I had no network. I didn't know anyone. And I wasn't\n\n123\n00:12:25.040 --> 00:12:31.280\n sure how I was going to do it. Plus, of course, you had all the emotional turmoil of personal changes\n\n124\n00:12:31.280 --> 00:12:40.000\n as well as another country change. But I managed to decide who my target was, who I needed to speak to,\n\n125\n00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:46.080\n find people who would refer me to others to speak to them as well, just to keep expanding that\n\n126\n00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:53.759\n network. And I was able to reinvent myself as a career coach in Australia. And it really was\n\n127\n00:12:53.759 --> 00:13:00.240\n rewarding knowing that I was able to do it through sheer hard work and determination. And there\n\n128\n00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:04.879\n were times when I wanted to curl up in a ball and think, oh, I wish everyone would just go away.\n\n129\n00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:12.799\n And someone fixed it for me, but I knew that I couldn't do on my own. So having a total career\n\n130\n00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:21.279\n reinvention in my early 40s was, it was a big challenge. But I knew that if I didn't do it,\n\n131\n00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:28.159\n who else was going to do it? I had to do it for my family as well. And so it made a really big\n\n132\n00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:34.559\n impact on me and the way that I view things in the world. And I think it made me a stronger person\n\n133\n00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:41.039\n as well. Because now when my clients are going through a change and for them, there are multiple\n\n134\n00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:47.519\n stresses. There's never just one thing like I'm changing jobs and all there's been a redundancy.\n\n135\n00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:53.439\n Very often there's the personal side as well. And I had one one gentleman who came to me and\n\n136\n00:13:53.439 --> 00:13:59.279\n when I was joined to him, he shared that not only was there a redundancy, but his wife had recently\n\n137\n00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:06.319\n passed away. He had two children and his parents were aging and needed care. And so that poor man\n\n138\n00:14:06.319 --> 00:14:12.720\n had so many stresses one on top of the other. And through my own life experiences and transitions,\n\n139\n00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:19.360\n we could really empathize with each other. And I was able to help to coach him through. So\n\n140\n00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:26.879\n life experiences really give you those transferable skills to be able to use in your job, especially\n\n141\n00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:34.800\n as a coach as well. There's so much power in that story. And actually I love diving into people's\n\n142\n00:14:34.800 --> 00:14:40.320\n mindset. I think that this is honestly the foundation upon everything else is built upon.\n\n143\n00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:45.840\n One thing I can hear in your story is you have a lot of adaptability and resilience. So I'd\n\n144\n00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:50.800\n really love to understand maybe where that came from. If you could pinpoint if that's been created\n\n145\n00:14:50.800 --> 00:14:55.600\n or if you've always had that and what you think is how we can all build it. But I just also want to\n\n146\n00:14:55.600 --> 00:15:02.640\n just take a breath and hold space for that amazing transition, Jane. Like that is huge. And I think\n\n147\n00:15:02.640 --> 00:15:10.000\n that sometimes unfortunately we have to sort of wait for crisis for us to be pushed into doing\n\n148\n00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:14.320\n something that maybe we wouldn't have ever done had that not have happened. And I think when\n\n149\n00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:20.799\n you're in it, when you're in what I like to call the messy middle, everything can feel so intense\n\n150\n00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:25.360\n and nothing feels like it's going right. But that's when I remind myself this is where the growth\n\n151\n00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:30.320\n is. This is where when I'm over the bridge and I'm over the messy middle, I'll look back and go\n\n152\n00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:34.960\n with that hand of happened. I wouldn't be who I am today with all this new skills and wisdom\n\n153\n00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:40.639\n and knowledge to then apply to the working world to my coaching clients, whatever that may be.\n\n154\n00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:45.519\n And I think that there's so many people, especially right now with the rise of technology,\n\n155\n00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:52.960\n that are going to find themselves in a very, very scary place unknown, unsure, stark,\n\n156\n00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:58.879\n being made redundant, losing their jobs. Like we're not about to go for a period of life where things\n\n157\n00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:04.720\n are going to get any easier. I'm constantly posting on LinkedIn. You need to upskill. You need to\n\n158\n00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.960\n be ready. No one's coming to save you. You have to be in the drive and see if you're in career.\n\n159\n00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:16.960\n So talking about those skills of adaptability and resilience, have you always had them because\n\n160\n00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:22.560\n your story is just incredible. And I want to hold space for it because to go for a divorce,\n\n161\n00:16:22.560 --> 00:16:27.360\n to have children, to have your mother speaks no English, to move from Singapore to Australia and\n\n162\n00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:33.680\n start a business. That's massive. So talk to me. Have you always had it or have you built it over time?\n\n163\n00:16:35.680 --> 00:16:44.720\n I think it must be because of my early childhood experiences. And my father was in England.\n\n164\n00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:50.639\n And he was a Cambridge scholar. So he was very academic. And he worked at the Hong Kong University.\n\n165\n00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:56.639\n He was a deputy registrar at the Hong Kong University. My mother was just the most beautiful Chinese\n\n166\n00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:03.600\n woman who didn't speak in English. And my father learned how to read, write, and speak Chinese\n\n167\n00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:11.440\n because of his work when he first moved from the UK to Malaysia. He was enamored by Asia after\n\n168\n00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:16.720\n the Second World War. And he always wanted to go back. So he got a job with him in civil service.\n\n169\n00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:23.039\n And he got sent to Macau to learn Cantonese with a cohort of other civil servants who needed to\n\n170\n00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:29.839\n learn local dialects that would be spoken in Malaysia. So that's how he met my mom. And my mom\n\n171\n00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:35.119\n was buddyed up with him because she didn't speak English. And he had to speak Cantonese.\n\n172\n00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:41.279\n So he learned how to speak Cantonese very, very well. So they fell in love and got married. And so that\n\n173\n00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:48.799\n that was very happy story. But as I was growing up, we all spoke Cantonese at home. Dad was the English\n\n174\n00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:55.279\n scholar working at the university. And so dad was my guiding light. Mom was wonderful and loving\n\n175\n00:17:55.359 --> 00:18:02.160\n and caring. But I would learn things from dad. And unfortunately at the age of 49, when I was 11\n\n176\n00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:09.039\n years old, he passed away of a heart attack. And then life was absolute turmoil, complete turmoil.\n\n177\n00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:16.720\n My brother was 17 at the time. He was about to go off to uni in the UK. He failed all his exams.\n\n178\n00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:22.559\n The first year and had to retake them because of the emotional experiences that we were going through.\n\n179\n00:18:22.639 --> 00:18:29.519\n But at that time, I was 11 years old and mom was absolutely lost. And I could speak English and I\n\n180\n00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:34.000\n could speak Chinese and I could write English. And so what happened was we had to move out of the\n\n181\n00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:41.039\n university compound into an apartment in Hong Kong. But when my brother went off to the UK for\n\n182\n00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:47.919\n university, I had to look after mom basically because we had bills to pay, checks to write,\n\n183\n00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:52.720\n mom couldn't write English. So I was writing all the checks from doing the accounts. So I was only\n\n184\n00:18:52.720 --> 00:19:01.120\n 11, 12 years old at the time. And money was quite tight. So I took on tutoring when I got into high\n\n185\n00:19:01.120 --> 00:19:07.920\n school. And I was very good at languages at the time. Can't remember any of my French now,\n\n186\n00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:12.640\n but at the time I was doing very well in French. So I was tutoring French and I was tutoring English\n\n187\n00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:19.680\n language and literature. Just for some extra money. And I found that, hey, I can earn a little bit\n\n188\n00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:25.040\n of extra money and help out. And I can help mom. And she's not on her own and she doesn't need to\n\n189\n00:19:25.040 --> 00:19:31.759\n worry. But basically, mom, as I said, was a wonderful woman, but she didn't need looking after.\n\n190\n00:19:32.560 --> 00:19:41.840\n And so I did. And I found that I grew up very fast. And I knew that I had to study and do well\n\n191\n00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:48.079\n and juggling. I'm a pretty good study. So I'll work hard. And I'm not naturally brilliant. I\n\n192\n00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:54.399\n just work hard at it to make sure that I can get good grades. But when that opportunity at 17\n\n193\n00:19:54.399 --> 00:20:00.480\n to actually get this job with Korean Airlines came up. And as I said, my career's master was like,\n\n194\n00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:05.119\n no, Jane, you're not supposed to. I'm like, I'm going, I'm going to earn really good money now.\n\n195\n00:20:05.120 --> 00:20:12.080\n Or what seemed like good money at the time. And so I went into my first step of my career\n\n196\n00:20:12.080 --> 00:20:17.120\n because I didn't know any better. I didn't have a plan. And even though there was a career's master,\n\n197\n00:20:17.120 --> 00:20:22.000\n he didn't know me and what would be right for me. So I think that's where the resilience comes\n\n198\n00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:29.360\n from, Georgie. It's just things happen and you just have to get on with it. And you could say,\n\n199\n00:20:29.520 --> 00:20:35.760\n woe is me and crumble in a heap. But I don't think that's a very good way of doing it. It's like,\n\n200\n00:20:35.760 --> 00:20:42.640\n okay, here are my options. What do I do? And sometimes you end up on autopilot. I honestly believe\n\n201\n00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:50.960\n I was on autopilot from the age of 11 when Dad died until I was 16 because I never cried. I remember\n\n202\n00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:58.319\n I never cried even when I was told. But when I turned 16, suddenly I started a bit of\n\n203\n00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:04.480\n introspection and thinking, what's happened to me the past five years? And that's when all the\n\n204\n00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:11.840\n emotion came out. And I remember there was one evening when I just was so upset that I had to\n\n205\n00:21:11.840 --> 00:21:16.640\n leave the house and I went all the way to a pulse bay beach and sat on the beach and just sat there\n\n206\n00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:23.040\n all night until the sun came up just thinking and thinking and wishing that I'd cried earlier.\n\n207\n00:21:23.040 --> 00:21:28.240\n And you know, it's, you can't bottle up your emotions if you feel upset about something. Yes,\n\n208\n00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:33.520\n you can get on with stuff that you've got to also acknowledge what you're going through because\n\n209\n00:21:33.520 --> 00:21:38.320\n otherwise you could end up with lots of mental health issues. And after that, I found it was really\n\n210\n00:21:38.320 --> 00:21:46.320\n quite cathartic. The sun came up and I thought, okay, I'm done now. I can now get on and continue to\n\n211\n00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:51.919\n do what needs to be done. And so, yeah, I guess thanks for that question actually, it's making me\n\n212\n00:21:51.919 --> 00:21:58.000\n think a little bit Georgie because I guess that's where the resilience came from because I knew that,\n\n213\n00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:07.599\n you know, if I didn't do something, who would? It's such a powerful story and I'm just trying to\n\n214\n00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:14.000\n identify why some people go on to have very successful careers and why other people struggle and\n\n215\n00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:20.000\n I think in this new world, these skills are going to be very, very needed and not that I worry\n\n216\n00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:25.200\n for the younger generations, but I think that, you know, tough times create strong people and good\n\n217\n00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:29.920\n times create weak people. And I think when you've gone through adversity and challenge in your life,\n\n218\n00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:35.519\n it does sort of, well, especially if you have got the right skills, tough and you want a bit, I guess,\n\n219\n00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:41.599\n and you are more adaptable and you can deal with these situations better. But I also agree what you\n\n220\n00:22:41.600 --> 00:22:47.920\n said, I think the, the older we get, the more wise we get, we learn to, emotionally regulate,\n\n221\n00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:52.960\n but also acknowledge that we're feeling frustrated, we're feeling sad and it's not\n\n222\n00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:57.840\n shying away from those feelings because they will catch up with us later. And I think that there's\n\n223\n00:22:57.840 --> 00:23:03.200\n going to be a lot of change like we keep on saying and going back to that gentleman that you\n\n224\n00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:08.640\n are speaking about because there's sure there's going to be people listening to this podcast\n\n225\n00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:13.200\n right now that might have just lost their job or might be going through something really tough and\n\n226\n00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:18.880\n maybe they are concerned about their career and what that means. It's like how do you, I guess,\n\n227\n00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:23.200\n guide and coach your clients to navigate these really tricky times? What are some sort of like\n\n228\n00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:27.920\n tools or steps that you give to those people who are struggling and are going to need to\n\n229\n00:23:28.560 --> 00:23:33.200\n get themselves back into the job market, feeling a bit deflated and feeling a little bit flat?\n\n230\n00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:39.759\n Well, first of all, if there are mental health issues, if it seriously is affecting you\n\n231\n00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:44.960\n and you're going through a transition, then obviously I'm a career coach, I'm not a psychologist.\n\n232\n00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:50.880\n So with duty of care, I'd need to refer them to the relevant professionals to be able to help\n\n233\n00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:56.640\n with that. And for most organisations, they provide you with EAP, should you be going through\n\n234\n00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:01.440\n a difficult time? But when it comes to the actual career side of things, well, that's where I come\n\n235\n00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:07.759\n into my own because I know that it is an emotional rollercoaster and there are days when you think,\n\n236\n00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:11.680\n no, I can do this. And then there are days when you think, oh, I just wish someone else would fix\n\n237\n00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:17.039\n it for me and or else I just want to run away. And that's quite normal. And I think the important\n\n238\n00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:23.120\n thing is is that if you're going through a transition, you need to really acknowledge that it's okay\n\n239\n00:24:23.120 --> 00:24:31.360\n not to feel okay all the time. And once you do that, then what I do is I take people right back to\n\n240\n00:24:31.600 --> 00:24:37.600\n foundations because the important thing is to know who you are, what you want, what you can do\n\n241\n00:24:37.600 --> 00:24:43.600\n and what you aspire to. And you need to have that career clarity. And what I usually do is I work\n\n242\n00:24:43.600 --> 00:24:49.680\n on people with people to identify what their true career anchor is because we all have one anchor\n\n243\n00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:54.960\n that pulls us in a certain direction. And if I've known what my anchor was back in the day,\n\n244\n00:24:55.200 --> 00:25:01.920\n I would have made some different career choices. And once I discovered my true career anchor,\n\n245\n00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:08.079\n which is dedication to a cause or service, it all made sense. I thought, no wonder I've made\n\n246\n00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:16.640\n the choices that I do because I'm always in service of others, whether it's serving 30,000 feet\n\n247\n00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:23.039\n in the air, if you want an aircraft or if I'm personal training and helping people to improve\n\n248\n00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:29.200\n their fitness, again, that's service. If I'm training that service when I'm coaching, it's 100%\n\n249\n00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:37.359\n service as well. So I'm now in a career where I'm doing exactly what is right for me. So for others,\n\n250\n00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:43.039\n your career anchor could be general managerial anchor, technical functional challenge, entrepreneurial,\n\n251\n00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:48.879\n a range of anchors. But once you know what that is, then you can ask yourself, is the decision\n\n252\n00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:54.160\n I'm about to make going to enable me to fulfill my anchor? Or will it take me away from fulfilling\n\n253\n00:25:54.160 --> 00:26:01.360\n that anchor? And combined with that, you need to know what your values are, your skills and knowledge,\n\n254\n00:26:01.360 --> 00:26:08.240\n what motivates you and demotivates you, what satisfies you in a working environment and not just\n\n255\n00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:14.880\n the job function, but the people that you work with, the location, the different aspects of the role,\n\n256\n00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:21.200\n the industry itself, whether it's meaningful to you or not. So once you understand what's important\n\n257\n00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:28.000\n to you and what's not important to you, what your skills are, what might be transferable or not,\n\n258\n00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:34.480\n then you can start to put a plan together to formulate your job search strategy, but you have to\n\n259\n00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:41.600\n start with that career clarity before you get the career confidence to follow the path that probably\n\n260\n00:26:41.600 --> 00:26:47.920\n is the right one for you. I'm thinking about someone listening to this right now and they're like,\n\n261\n00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:54.640\n this is all amazing, Jane, I don't have a clue. You know how some people, I don't know why, like,\n\n262\n00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:59.760\n when I speak to them, and you're probably famous as well, Jane, when I ask people what they want,\n\n263\n00:26:59.760 --> 00:27:03.120\n they instantly can tell me what they don't want. Well, I don't like this, I don't like this,\n\n264\n00:27:03.120 --> 00:27:07.600\n I don't want this, and I was like, that's great. But what do you actually want? I don't know many\n\n265\n00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:14.720\n people in life that can actually say their 10 second elevator pitch of exactly what they want\n\n266\n00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.280\n their life to look. And I think this is really, really important. I think this is the biggest life\n\n267\n00:27:19.280 --> 00:27:25.200\n hack that you can ever have. So if someone's really stuck right now, and they're like, I don't know\n\n268\n00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:29.200\n what my career rank career is, I don't know what a value. Where should they begin?\n\n269\n00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:35.680\n Okay. Well, I have a number of assessments. I can give them which guides them through.\n\n270\n00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:41.279\n What's interesting is that over the years, I've become qualified and I've used numerous\n\n271\n00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:48.240\n assessments from MBTI to LSI and Hogan assessment systems. And having coached now for just about\n\n272\n00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:56.240\n 24 years, probably more now, I've distilled everything that I've learned into a number of very simple\n\n273\n00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:03.039\n PDF exercises, which I use with my clients when we start coaching. And they go, wow, these\n\n274\n00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:08.400\n are so simple, but they're not easy, Jane. I said, no, they're not easy because you need to think\n\n275\n00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:14.400\n a little bit and consider and reflect. And you might not have all the answers now. But once you\n\n276\n00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:21.839\n start considering what is important to you, then it makes it easier and for instance, if we're\n\n277\n00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:26.800\n going to go through a values assessment and a lot of people, they look at their values and you\n\n278\n00:28:26.800 --> 00:28:31.040\n can read lots of books that talk about, you know, assessing your values and you can read what\n\n279\n00:28:31.040 --> 00:28:37.040\n color is your parachute and there are numerous career transition books that are very, very helpful.\n\n280\n00:28:37.040 --> 00:28:44.720\n But when you look at your values and you decide, okay, these are my top five values. I like to take\n\n281\n00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:51.839\n people through an exercise, but if you had to compromise a value, which one would it be?\n\n282\n00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:58.079\n And then they have to really think seriously. And very often, I'll get them to use a post-it note,\n\n283\n00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:03.680\n you know, or several post-it notes and they'll lay out all their values in order of importance.\n\n284\n00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:09.440\n And I'll go, okay, well, if you had to compromise this one or that one, which would it be? And by the\n\n285\n00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:14.480\n end of the hard questioning, you'll find that most of the post-it notes will be moved around.\n\n286\n00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:23.920\n And they found the top five true, not negotiable values. And you know, have you ever experienced\n\n287\n00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:28.799\n Georgie? Sometimes in your life, but you think everything's fine. Like, relationships are fine\n\n288\n00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:35.120\n and jobs fine and friends are fine and money. Everything seems fine, but why am I not 100% happy?\n\n289\n00:29:35.120 --> 00:29:40.000\n What's wrong with me that I'm not happy? On the surface, I should be deliriously happy,\n\n290\n00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:46.000\n but usually you'll find it's one of your top values is not being met either professionally or\n\n291\n00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:51.599\n personally. And because it's a top value, if it's not met, of course, there's going to be that\n\n292\n00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:57.759\n discontent. And it's really interesting when you pinpoint which value is being compromised,\n\n293\n00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:02.880\n because that's when you think, oh, yeah, this person said that or that happened and I thought,\n\n294\n00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:08.319\n oh, never mind. And I brushed it under under the carpet. But as soon as you address it and you talk\n\n295\n00:30:08.399 --> 00:30:14.879\n about it, you'll find that you'll feel a lot more empowered to think, no, next time I'm going to say,\n\n296\n00:30:14.879 --> 00:30:21.839\n no, I'm not going to allow that to happen. And that helps. This is why the clarity helps with\n\n297\n00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:27.519\n the confidence, because once you know what's important to you, then you can start to explore what\n\n298\n00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.159\n might be the right environment or the right relationship as well, if you're going to talk personally,\n\n299\n00:30:32.159 --> 00:30:35.359\n as well as careers, what might be the right thing for you?\n\n300\n00:30:35.360 --> 00:30:41.200\n Just a one thing I've always struggled with. And I think values are something that I got really\n\n301\n00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:46.400\n clear on many, many years ago. And I can relate to exactly what you just said there, Jane, where\n\n302\n00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:51.680\n on the outside, I look like I was crushing it. I was in a corporate role. I was earning\n\n303\n00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:58.240\n fantastic money. I was in recruitment. I was a top salesperson, but inside, I was anxious,\n\n304\n00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:02.800\n overwhelmed, burnt out, exhausted, wasn't sleeping, wasn't prioritising my health and health has\n\n305\n00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.519\n now become my number one value, because I know what it's like when it's not. So it was interesting\n\n306\n00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:13.119\n when you said that. I thought, yeah, I know exactly what that feels like. But the thing that I still\n\n307\n00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:19.599\n find myself conflicting with, and we could turn this into a coaching session, so feel free to\n\n308\n00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.480\n roll thing on this, because I'm not be cut. And the reason I'm saying this is because I was out of\n\n309\n00:31:25.919 --> 00:31:29.759\n gathering the other day with a number of friends. And my friend and I were having this same\n\n310\n00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.680\n conversation, and then other women jumped in and said, yeah, I thought that's okay, there's a pattern\n\n311\n00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:40.240\n here. I sometimes feel like I've got two sides of me. One side is Georgie, who's very ambitious,\n\n312\n00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:46.799\n who wants to have this podcast, the number one, who wants to grow a massive recruitment agency,\n\n313\n00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:52.640\n who wants to go or best selling book, and all these things, I'm really passionate about. I'm\n\n314\n00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:58.799\n really driven to. Then I have this other side of me, this free spirit, this Georgie that wants to\n\n315\n00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:06.799\n walk on the beach, meditate, be in nature, drive in the ocean every day, and sometimes they go to\n\n316\n00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:15.759\n battle with each other, because I feel this desire to go after my dreams, or maybe what I think of\n\n317\n00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.559\n my dreams, that's a whole other topic in itself, I guess, but these ambitions that I have for my\n\n318\n00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:27.359\n career, my business, but then I also have this free spirit, who wants to ground herself in nature,\n\n319\n00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:35.040\n and be just a bit more of a float around a bit more, but the two sometimes collide,\n\n320\n00:32:35.040 --> 00:32:39.520\n because sometimes when I look at my calendar, I go, well, where's the time for that Georgie,\n\n321\n00:32:39.520 --> 00:32:44.880\n and she stops sometimes, gets pushed to the side, and then I get exhausted and frustrated again.\n\n322\n00:32:45.760 --> 00:32:50.720\n Have you seen that a lot in your coaching sessions? Is that common, or yeah, I'd love to get\n\n323\n00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:56.880\n your opinion on that? It's very common with the women that I coach, and I coached 50, 15 men\n\n324\n00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:06.000\n and women, and I think it's because as women, we want to prove ourselves so much, and sometimes it\n\n325\n00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:11.920\n can be a little bit of a battle, and we want to be able to make our mark, and you know, like plant\n\n326\n00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:17.440\n that flag in the sand to say, this is what I stand for, this is who I am, this is what I can achieve,\n\n327\n00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:23.279\n and I believe that there is a time and a place for everything, and you know, all of these things\n\n328\n00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:27.279\n that you want to do, you know, like fight a bestselling novel, and have your podcast, which you\n\n329\n00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:34.240\n which you which you run on. So thank you, it's such a honor to be on on your podcast, it's lovely,\n\n330\n00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:42.000\n and if it's the right time for you now, then now is the time before all of the other things in life\n\n331\n00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:49.759\n start to take over to get it done. For me, I did things the other way around, I had children quite\n\n332\n00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:56.640\n early, I was 26 when I had my first daughter, 28 when I had my second daughter, and my career kind\n\n333\n00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:03.519\n of fit around the children, but my number one value was health, because I've had a number of health\n\n334\n00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:09.760\n issues, and on now the age where I have to be even more careful with my health, and because I've\n\n335\n00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:15.920\n had some major health issues in the past, I've realized that if I'm not healthy, I can't look after\n\n336\n00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:21.840\n anybody else, so your health is most important. If you're oscillating between I want to do all of this,\n\n337\n00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:26.320\n but I'm getting so burnt out, and that's why I want to go and have, have, you know, a barefoot walk\n\n338\n00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:32.800\n along the beach, you should ask yourself, why am I being pulled in this direction, and yet pulled in\n\n339\n00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:38.640\n that direction, is now the right time for one thing or the other, and it doesn't mean that you\n\n340\n00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:46.319\n can't have it all, it just means maybe not yet, and if you've got that plan and you know that\n\n341\n00:34:46.319 --> 00:34:53.279\n once I reach this, then I'll feel like, okay, I can start to take a little bit of a break, but I mean\n\n342\n00:34:53.279 --> 00:34:59.119\n even when you're working really hard at anything, you have to take regular breaks regardless, so\n\n343\n00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:05.039\n just bunch that into your diary every day for, you know, a bit of meditation or breathing or\n\n344\n00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:10.800\n look after yourself, that's important, but if now is the time for you to hit it and get that book\n\n345\n00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:18.079\n written and you do all of these things before you focus more on the personal side, then get it\n\n346\n00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:22.480\n done because if you don't, you're always going to regret it, and I always think we need to live with\n\n347\n00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:27.519\n no regrets. Ultimately, you know, one of the things that's part of this career clarity pack that I\n\n348\n00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:33.679\n work on with my clients is that the ultimate aim, what is your mission, what's the legacy that you\n\n349\n00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:41.199\n would like to leave, what do you want to be known for? So like Georgie Hubbard, who are you, you want\n\n350\n00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:50.559\n to be a selling author, top podcast host, amazing recruitment consultant that's a global agency,\n\n351\n00:35:51.919 --> 00:35:58.079\n and oh, I didn't mention I was in recruitment for a year and I have to say it was because it was\n\n352\n00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:05.840\n heavily sales focused, that's not mean, and that was what got me very, very burnt out, because it was\n\n353\n00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:13.039\n very competitive KPI driven, and I'm a career, I'm just a woman fuzzy career coach,\n\n354\n00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:18.480\n collaboration is what I do, competition is not something that I hanker after so I get it that,\n\n355\n00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:25.199\n you know, it is very, very competitive, but so you think about, okay, if I, if this is what I want\n\n356\n00:36:25.200 --> 00:36:30.880\n to achieve, what else do I want to be known for? So do you want to be known as, you know, a wonderful\n\n357\n00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:37.680\n friend, a great daughter, you know, a loving wife, how important is that for you as well? So when\n\n358\n00:36:37.680 --> 00:36:43.360\n you know what the ultimate aim is, then you can reverse engineer. So hopefully, you know, there's time\n\n359\n00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:50.400\n for family and friends and enjoyment and love and all of those important things for us, but also\n\n360\n00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:55.920\n they need to be achieved not too, but at the end of the day, when you look back on your life,\n\n361\n00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:02.320\n what do you want to be remembered for, do you? A powerful question that I will definitely sit with,\n\n362\n00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:07.599\n I think that I feel a sense of urgency right now, which is why I do this podcast every week and\n\n363\n00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:12.720\n why I'm wearing a book right now is because I can see the way the world is going and I can see\n\n364\n00:37:12.720 --> 00:37:16.480\n the change that's coming and I can see all the jobs that are going to be obsolete and everyone's\n\n365\n00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.400\n going to need to upskill and reskill and rethink their careers and Jane, you're going to be\n\n366\n00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:26.639\n absolutely booked out because people are going to need to career pivot, they're going to need to\n\n367\n00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:32.159\n take their skills and work at what's transferable and put them into another industry and that industry\n\n368\n00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.519\n is going to be having something to do with AI machine learning and robotics and that's going to be\n\n369\n00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:42.240\n part of the new future of work. There'll still be other jobs that will not go obsolete due to AI,\n\n370\n00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:47.600\n but every single person's going to have to rethink the way they work and I do feel the sense of\n\n371\n00:37:47.600 --> 00:37:53.200\n urgency because I grew up in a very traditional family where mum didn't work, wish you worked part\n\n372\n00:37:53.200 --> 00:38:00.080\n time, dad worked and I'm worried that as women, if we don't really start taking our careers and\n\n373\n00:38:00.080 --> 00:38:04.720\n our finances seriously, we could get left behind and I just don't want to see that happen because\n\n374\n00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:09.520\n I've seen what happens when women do stay stuck, they don't have the financial means, they are\n\n375\n00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:14.159\n in marriages that they're being controlled and I don't want that to happen, so that's a real\n\n376\n00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:19.519\n driving force to me right now, so my legacy is to help as many women as I possibly can transition\n\n377\n00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:26.079\n into well-paying jobs, jobs of the future so they can keep their financial freedom and independence\n\n378\n00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:31.119\n because that's something that I'm incredibly passionate about as a female and as a female founder\n\n379\n00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:39.039\n as well. So that's probably where my legacy comes in and then I guess I now, 37, I don't have children,\n\n380\n00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:43.920\n I'm still debating whether or not that's going to be in my future but then as a woman, you know,\n\n381\n00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.440\n you sort of think, well, that's the tick-ticking clock, so then that sort of starts to play in your\n\n382\n00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:52.400\n mind and you go, oh, if you want this, which I'm still not sure I do, Joan, if I'm honest, I don't\n\n383\n00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:56.880\n know if I have got those naturally nurturing skills when it comes to having kids, maybe that will\n\n384\n00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:00.800\n change but then that sort of plays in your mind as well and I know there's so many women that think\n\n385\n00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.400\n the way I think because I speak to them, you know, like their career, their ambitious women,\n\n386\n00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:09.840\n they don't live with regrets but they're in their late 30s and they're like, God, like this is\n\n387\n00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.480\n so unfair, why do I have to now put this on hold and you don't have to put it on hold but you,\n\n388\n00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:20.240\n you certainly can't do it all well and I think that I've seen people try to do everything and they\n\n389\n00:39:20.240 --> 00:39:24.880\n put themselves at the bottom of the barrel, their health really suffers and they don't end up in\n\n390\n00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.599\n good places. So I think it's just, it's just something as women we all have to support each other\n\n391\n00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:35.599\n on and ask for help and ask for guidance and not be ashamed of having these conversations and\n\n392\n00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:41.920\n saying this out loud because it's something that I know a lot of women my age are thinking about\n\n393\n00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:46.559\n if they don't have children yet. So it's an interesting conversation but that's ultimately what I'm\n\n394\n00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:51.119\n passionate about about helping women get into position where their financials are secure. So they\n\n395\n00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:57.440\n have choice. I think choice is power in today's world. Yeah, I think you know when I really\n\n396\n00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:02.400\n wish is that in secondary school, in high school, they taught financial literacy.\n\n397\n00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:09.440\n A hundred percent. Only they did that because it's taken me a long time because there was none of that\n\n398\n00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.159\n when, I mean, it was such a long time when I was in secondary school but there was none of that.\n\n399\n00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:19.119\n We did accounting but then that was it and it was just tediously boring. It's one of the things\n\n400\n00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:24.639\n that I outsource in my own business because I can do it but I don't enjoy it. Some people thrive\n\n401\n00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:33.199\n on it but financial literacy is a skill that every child should have instilled in them and you know\n\n402\n00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:38.000\n the barefoot investor, you've probably read that book, it's got written by Scott Pake, is excellent\n\n403\n00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:45.039\n and he's got one that's for families to teach children from a young age how to be financially\n\n404\n00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.000\n responsible as well and delay gratification, you know, save for this then you'll have that later\n\n405\n00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:55.199\n which I think is a very important thing but for women that biological, my daughters are in their\n\n406\n00:40:56.239 --> 00:41:04.719\n late 30s now themselves and there's always this my career, this is the family, should I have children,\n\n407\n00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:11.599\n should I wait, should I have one more child or should I not and it makes it so difficult because\n\n408\n00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:17.920\n especially with couples now if you want to own your own home as well then you probably need the\n\n409\n00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.960\n dual income and you need the dual income in order to be able to afford your mortgage because\n\n410\n00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.280\n the housing crisis, I mean everything is very expensive especially if you want to live in the\n\n411\n00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:33.599\n big cities here in Australia and so it's almost like I want a family but then you know I still\n\n412\n00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:39.039\n need to work because I need to pay the mortgage and there's so much juggle and I'm really glad\n\n413\n00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:45.760\n that more and more women are voicing their concerns and are also supporting each other because\n\n414\n00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:51.760\n it's important to know that you're not alone when you're going through that process and I know that\n\n415\n00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:56.160\n when I was going through my divorce because I was changing country I didn't know a lot of people\n\n416\n00:41:56.160 --> 00:42:02.080\n here at the time it was it's really hard when you don't have someone to talk to who's done it\n\n417\n00:42:02.080 --> 00:42:09.040\n who's going through something similar to you just so that you feel that you're not the only one\n\n418\n00:42:09.279 --> 00:42:16.480\n and I always encourage when I have a program called the career success program which is a membership\n\n419\n00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:24.079\n program and whenever we have our regular live zoom coaching calls that's part of the component\n\n420\n00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:29.199\n of the program I always encourage everybody to connect with each other on LinkedIn support each\n\n421\n00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:35.039\n other talk to each other in between coaching calls as well because sometimes it's just that little\n\n422\n00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:39.599\n bit of that courage you get when you know that oh someone else is struggling with the same thing\n\n423\n00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:46.400\n that I'm feeling as well and I think the community that your your building Georgie is very valuable\n\n424\n00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:53.840\n especially because you're you're working now with mid-career women yes yeah and I work with\n\n425\n00:42:53.840 --> 00:43:00.079\n mid-career men and women but very many of them are slightly more mature and they're worried about\n\n426\n00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:08.000\n ageism in the workplace now and because I'm in my mid 60s I'm thinking oh ageism it's it's a problem\n\n427\n00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:14.639\n if you think that it's a problem because there's always a way to reinvent so that you can still\n\n428\n00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:20.159\n stay relevant but a hundred percent with AI and the changes the number of people who are going\n\n429\n00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:26.559\n through redundancies now because the jobs have been made redundant because of the technological\n\n430\n00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:33.920\n changes if we don't stay up to speed with what is changing or at least be aware and understand\n\n431\n00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:40.000\n why this is what businesses are adopting will feel resentful because it'll be like we're\n\n432\n00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:46.639\n ostriches putting our heads in the sand it's changing you may as well embrace it AI I think is\n\n433\n00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:52.559\n a great tool for productivity but don't use it as a crutch some people are now really using\n\n434\n00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.119\n as a crutch I see too many AI generated post-son linked I mean you can tell\n\n435\n00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:04.559\n when someone hasn't written something themselves I think it's a bit sad because I like individual\n\n436\n00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:12.000\n creativity as well but do use it as a tool it'll save you a lot of time but make sure the creativity\n\n437\n00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:18.559\n is still your own and in fact one of the you know how there's a saying you can't teach an old dog\n\n438\n00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:23.599\n new tricks well I'm always learning something new every year I try to get a new certification or\n\n439\n00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:31.679\n learn something new I've created a my own GPT so I've got Jane career coach GPT and it's based on\n\n440\n00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:38.719\n my book navigating career crossroads and because I spent a year back in 2014 writing navigating\n\n441\n00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:45.199\n career crossroads it's in its third edition now there's so much content in there that was basically\n\n442\n00:44:45.200 --> 00:44:50.560\n a brain dump of everything I coached people on for many years and getting the clarity and\n\n443\n00:44:50.560 --> 00:44:58.160\n the job search strategies and negotiation et cetera the GPT taps into the knowledge that's in\n\n444\n00:44:58.160 --> 00:45:04.720\n my book and I thought well that's very nice because people who well first of all my mission is\n\n445\n00:45:04.720 --> 00:45:10.080\n to make careers guidance accessible and affordable to everybody who needs it that's what really\n\n446\n00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:16.079\n drives me why I wrote the book in the first place and now with this GPT that knowledge is there\n\n447\n00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:23.759\n people can just ask and it brings me joy to know that someone is able to get assistance you know\n\n448\n00:45:23.759 --> 00:45:30.480\n so easily they can either read the book or else they can tap into the GPT and it's it's so easy\n\n449\n00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:37.759\n but then if they need that one-on-one support you know and that emotional support and accountability\n\n450\n00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.080\n to get to where they want to be then there's the option of the one-on-one coaching or the\n\n451\n00:45:42.080 --> 00:45:47.680\n career success program too so it's it's like lots of different options and I'm able to have these\n\n452\n00:45:47.680 --> 00:45:54.720\n options because of technology so technology is not something to be feared learn how to use it\n\n453\n00:45:54.720 --> 00:46:02.720\n properly and it will benefit you and your career as well perfectly said Jane and I love it and\n\n454\n00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:09.280\n just a side note as well and you said you say you're 65 yes oh my god if people watch this\n\n455\n00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:21.760\n on video Jane looks about 40 seriously no you look fabulous 65 years young that's amazing\n\n456\n00:46:22.640 --> 00:46:26.320\n but look you you've touched upon something amazing as well which is the career transitions and\n\n457\n00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:30.080\n this is just one of one I really want to sort of like drive family people where because\n\n458\n00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.400\n there are going to be a lot of people career professionals that are going to have to career pivot\n\n459\n00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:40.639\n change careers right so do you have any frameworks or any advice when when we sort of look at\n\n460\n00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:46.319\n our transferable skills is there a sort of a framework you use to help people identify them\n\n461\n00:46:46.319 --> 00:46:52.239\n and then think how can I apply this into a tech role or a new opportunity that could open up\n\n462\n00:46:53.120 --> 00:46:59.520\n oh absolutely in my career clarity pack this is one of the processes that I take people through\n\n463\n00:46:59.520 --> 00:47:05.520\n you can do it on your own and get the pack on your own or else through coaching I guide them through\n\n464\n00:47:05.520 --> 00:47:10.880\n it but the number one thing is first of all identify your career anchor because there is a pool\n\n465\n00:47:11.600 --> 00:47:18.160\n what I want is not for you to feel like you need to make a change because it's a push out of where\n\n466\n00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:23.839\n you are and you're running away from something because you don't like it it needs to be a pull\n\n467\n00:47:23.839 --> 00:47:30.319\n towards a certain direction because it feels right for you and knowing what your anchor is really\n\n468\n00:47:30.319 --> 00:47:36.559\n makes that difference then assess where are you at in your life right now now you talked about\n\n469\n00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:41.679\n all the different things that you want for yourself in your life and you being pulled in this way\n\n470\n00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:47.039\n in that way well do a life inventory this is part of what I do is what's going on in your\n\n471\n00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:53.360\n relationships with your physical and mental health with your finances with your career and also\n\n472\n00:47:53.360 --> 00:48:01.279\n your physical environment what is a tick okay what is something that you might be tolerating about\n\n473\n00:48:01.279 --> 00:48:06.239\n one of those five aspects in your life so if you take an inventory then you can see where you're\n\n474\n00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:12.000\n at in your life right now what's working what's not working and I'm still a work in progress you know\n\n475\n00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.880\n I go through the life inventory with my clients and I'll go don't worry if you don't get you know\n\n476\n00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:23.039\n 100% on everything because we all have something else that we might be tolerating that once you're\n\n477\n00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:28.880\n made aware of it then you can take action to do something about it then after that we go into the\n\n478\n00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:34.559\n career side what are the values that drive you in your career what are the satisfies are important\n\n479\n00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:40.880\n to with regard to the people you work with the type of boss the type of in you know work environment\n\n480\n00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:48.160\n the industry the company what is satisfying and what is dissatisfying in each of the roles\n\n481\n00:48:48.160 --> 00:48:53.760\n you've had in your career so far there will be a common thread and when we find the common thread\n\n482\n00:48:53.760 --> 00:49:01.280\n that's motivating that starts to give you that little bit of insight into this this could work for\n\n483\n00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:08.240\n me if I can replicate it elsewhere and then of course what have you done that actually has made\n\n484\n00:49:08.240 --> 00:49:14.160\n a positive difference at work so I'm talking about your tangible accomplishments now did you\n\n485\n00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:22.720\n save time save money streamline processes mitigate risk invent something new recommend something\n\n486\n00:49:22.720 --> 00:49:27.520\n influence something if there's anything that you've done that has had a positive outcome\n\n487\n00:49:28.240 --> 00:49:34.800\n jot those down as well because then you'll know what it is that feels satisfying and is a benefit\n\n488\n00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:40.960\n and you can leverage that into the next role I like to break down each accomplishment to identify what\n\n489\n00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:47.360\n the transferable skills would be and they're the human skills you know it's the communication\n\n490\n00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:53.440\n the negotiation the influence your sense of humor things like that that make you a little bit\n\n491\n00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:59.920\n different from everybody else because looking for that unique selling proposition is is such a\n\n492\n00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:06.000\n challenge for most of us we don't know you know hey I just did my job I don't know what makes me\n\n493\n00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:12.480\n special and more often than not what makes you special will probably be your attitude and the way\n\n494\n00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:19.360\n that you approach things so that that's the process that I take people through and once they've\n\n495\n00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:26.159\n assessed all of that and they also have identified where they want to ultimately be and be known\n\n496\n00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:33.199\n for and remembered for at the end of their days then they can start to plot the path forward\n\n497\n00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:41.359\n and sometimes it's it's never linear that's one of the myths about careers in the past you know\n\n498\n00:50:41.359 --> 00:50:47.679\n a a job for like in Japan it was the salary mentality you know you join a company and then you\n\n499\n00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:52.399\n get promoted and promoted the long he worked you get more money and then you retire and then\n\n500\n00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:59.680\n you drink lots of soju or something or sake or other but that's that's no longer a thing you\n\n501\n00:50:59.680 --> 00:51:07.440\n know there is no job for life and most of us will have a portfolio career where we may make a\n\n502\n00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:14.880\n bit of a change and a bit of a pivot I'll tell you when when COVID hit and so many people were\n\n503\n00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:22.240\n stood down I was never busier than during those COVID years because so many people were working\n\n504\n00:51:22.240 --> 00:51:28.640\n from home or else they had been stood down or furloughed and they were thinking what am I doing\n\n505\n00:51:28.640 --> 00:51:33.360\n why was I working there I didn't even like it in the first place it wasn't for me and that's why\n\n506\n00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:38.960\n I was so busy because everyone was exploring and thinking about making that that pivot but they\n\n507\n00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:45.199\n didn't know how but the key is to find out what are the skills that you've got that really\n\n508\n00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:51.360\n can be transferable into a different industry so planets step by step to get to the next stage\n\n509\n00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:56.800\n I really love how you've just broken that dam that's really powerful and I think that it's really\n\n510\n00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:01.679\n understanding again what have you achieved in your current role would also people say about you\n\n511\n00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:08.000\n like how would someone describe you I think that's really key as well and it's we just we're so quick\n\n512\n00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:11.920\n I think to maybe judge ourselves too harshly and actually there's so many skills that we have\n\n513\n00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:16.880\n like we might be somebody that like maybe I was thinking about someone as you were speaking then\n\n514\n00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:21.519\n about and she didn't even know she did it but she was always somebody that was so thoughtful and\n\n515\n00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:26.159\n anyone any time that there was like a someone's birthday in the office she was the one that went\n\n516\n00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:30.800\n out and organized or the cake and where we were going to go out for some drinks that evening and\n\n517\n00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.199\n it was just such a natural skill that she had and I think she's gone into like event planning\n\n518\n00:52:35.200 --> 00:52:38.480\n or something she got out recruitment and she went and did something like there was like really\n\n519\n00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:44.000\n in her wheelhouse and she just loves it because she's really good at being organized and she loves\n\n520\n00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:48.320\n helping other people and and and bring a joy to others and that was definitely a transferable\n\n521\n00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:53.280\n skill she never worked an event planning in her life but she naturally had this ability just to\n\n522\n00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.840\n sort of like want to make people feel special was super organized and that's not me I forget\n\n523\n00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.600\n people's birthday it's all the time I'm like oh god it's my mother's birthday today hi mom\n\n524\n00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:07.199\n so it's like that wouldn't be for me but you know I for then I think that yeah it's it's it's\n\n525\n00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:13.839\n identifying what do you do naturally as well you know like and I think that it's so many people\n\n526\n00:53:13.839 --> 00:53:18.480\n I think focus too much on the hard skills oh I don't have any I don't have a software engineer\n\n527\n00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:24.799\n and degree I can't get into tech it's like that is just such a small part and in recruitment I keep\n\n528\n00:53:24.799 --> 00:53:30.559\n getting asked for Jane more critical I'm going to call them skills then hard skills you know\n\n529\n00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:34.719\n businesses know they're going to have to upskill people businesses know they're not going to get\n\n530\n00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:40.079\n the perfect resume coming through they know they're going to have to offer people the opportunity\n\n531\n00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:44.639\n to upskill which is why they need people who are adaptable why they need people who are resilient\n\n532\n00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.920\n why they need people who are growth minded and open to learning and curious these are also the\n\n533\n00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:56.639\n skills of the future not just machine learning algorithms robotics AI yes that's the hard skills\n\n534\n00:53:56.639 --> 00:54:01.279\n and I highly recommend people go in have a play around with the tools are out there that we need\n\n535\n00:54:01.279 --> 00:54:06.480\n to focus more on all of our human skills and these are the skills that most companies in the future\n\n536\n00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:12.159\n are really going to be focused on when they're interviewing somebody and I keep on telling people\n\n537\n00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:16.799\n who listen to the podcast and all of the amazing people I speak to daily in recruitment don't\n\n538\n00:54:16.799 --> 00:54:21.039\n neglect these skills because they're absolutely critical in the future of work so thank you for\n\n539\n00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:25.840\n breaking that down because we all have transferable skills that are needed in the future of work\n\n540\n00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:31.840\n but Jane final question I think we've covered a lot of ground today and I'm going to have you back\n\n541\n00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:36.800\n on by the way because I do feel like there's so much more I can speak to you about and like I said\n\n542\n00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:41.039\n as the world speeds up and more people are going to have to career pivot well maybe just your whole\n\n543\n00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:46.880\n episode on that and itself but is there anything we haven't spoken about today that you think is\n\n544\n00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:53.119\n really important that you know mid-level career professionals know think about ponder over\n\n545\n00:54:53.119 --> 00:55:01.840\n before we close out today's episode I think self-belief is very very important because when you doubt\n\n546\n00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:09.200\n yourself you're going to hesitate and when you hesitate you will feel uncertain and unsure of\n\n547\n00:55:09.200 --> 00:55:14.079\n yourself and you'll start to get that little monkey brain going going no you can't no you can't\n\n548\n00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:20.000\n or that little fellow sits on your shoulder you know the self-limiting belief saying oh you're\n\n549\n00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:25.599\n not going to be able to do it you're going to fail all of those terrible little voices in our head\n\n550\n00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:31.920\n so the important thing is and I always tell this to my client is self-limiting belief most people\n\n551\n00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:38.000\n have got the self-limiting belief sitting on their shoulder and they allow that belief to keep\n\n552\n00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:43.679\n talking to them you've got to knock it off your shoulder and say go away I'm going to give it a go\n\n553\n00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:49.360\n because inertia is just it breeds more inertia doesn't it the only thing that's going to move you\n\n554\n00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:56.000\n forward is action so think about what is the one little thing that you can do that's going to be\n\n555\n00:55:56.000 --> 00:56:03.440\n positive today is it to write down a positive affirmation or is it to write down the good thing\n\n556\n00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:10.400\n that you did at work today or did someone compliment you or whatever it is right at the end of each day\n\n557\n00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:16.320\n write down the one thing that you're the most proud of keep a record of it and at the end of the\n\n558\n00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:21.360\n week write down all the accomplishments that you've achieved because if you keep a little\n\n559\n00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:27.920\n brag book or such then when you need it you can use it to put into your resume too many people still\n\n560\n00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:35.920\n have a responsibility based resume rather than an accomplishment based resume and just working\n\n561\n00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:41.599\n on your resume it's a huge confidence booster if you identify the problems you encountered what\n\n562\n00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:47.840\n you did what actions you took in order to overcome those problems and what was the result once you\n\n563\n00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:54.000\n know that you can create a bullet point for your resume and it gives you talking points when they\n\n564\n00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:00.719\n ask you behavioral questions it a little bit of self-reflection will help you to build yourself\n\n565\n00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:06.960\n belief and if you find you can't do on your own then get help from you know people like Georgie\n\n566\n00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:15.679\n or all like me or a really good friend who believes in you. Solid advice Jane thank you so much\n\n567\n00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:22.000\n where can I send people to find out more about you grab your book and yeah and hopefully sort of\n\n568\n00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:28.480\n access your coaching program so where can I send them Jane. Ah just to Jane Jackson coach.com\n\n569\n00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:34.639\n or else you can google me Jane Jackson career coach you'll find me I tend to pop up all over the\n\n570\n00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:40.079\n place and LinkedIn is a really good place to reach out and connect with the unlinked in I have\n\n571\n00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:47.760\n my your career newsletter as well as the your career podcast with Jane Jackson and you can listen\n\n572\n00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:53.680\n to any of the advice and interviews and actually Georgie I should have you on my podcast too. So\n\n573\n00:57:53.680 --> 00:57:58.640\n there you go I think we've got plenty to share. We have let's let's make it happen Jane thank you so\n\n574\n00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:16.559\n much it's been a pleasure. Thank you but it's actually me.\n","transcription_info":{"language":"en","language_probability":1,"duration":3496.56,"duration_after_vad":3496.56}}