{"text":" Hey guys, just before we get into the podcast, we just wanted to let you know that we are currently in the process of fundraising for a short film called Between Sundays.  There'll be a link down in the description for you to give, but yeah.  Anything you guys give, we would so greatly appreciate it, and just thank you in advance for all of you that have given already.  But yeah, without further ado, let's get into the podcast.  You!  Welcome back to the Way UK Podcast. My name is Jesse. I'm joined by the wonderful co-host, Senya.  And today, we have a very special thus, the Archbishop and Gaylos.  Come on.  Did I pronounce your name right?  You did, actually.  I did, okay.  So you have to tell people how to pronounce it and syllables, and I bet you that don't really well, Jesse.  Thank you.  Come on.  It's only lovely to be here with you.  Archbishop, it's a real joy to have you on our sofa.  We've got many special guests here, and we have another one today.  And before we started filming, you're giving us a little bit of your geographical journey, where you grew up, and your journey over the past couple of years.  And I was wondering if you'd be able to tell the listeners, tell the watches kind of a bit of your story in terms of how, where you grew up, where you are now, who you are a little bit, as a little introduction to you.  Thank you.  I feel honored to be here, and I'm sure this armchair could tell lots of stories, and I'm happy to share one.  So I was born in Egypt to optical orthodox Christian parents.  We migrated as a family when I was five to Australia.  And so I grew up there, had my education, study, and work.  And once I finished all that, I went back to Egypt to join the monastery.  So our monasteries were actually literally in the middle of the desert.  You know, when you read the stories of the desert fathers and mothers of the four, five, six centuries, that's where our monasteries are.  So I went back to a place called Wedi Notreu, which is halfway between Cairo and Alexandria.  It's a very, it's a monastic era with lots of heritage, dating back to the fourth century.  And when I got there, I was taken under the wing of our then Pope.  So there were two churches, the one that used the title Pope, Rome, and then Alexandria, the optical orthodox church.  And took me under his wing, I became his disciple, I, you know, I became his private secretary for six years.  After that, he, he said to me, you've had enough administrative experience now.  I want you to get some pastoral experience.  So sent me here, I've, I served here for four years as a monk priest.  And then in 1999, we co-bishop, and I've been serving here ever since.  So I really, rich, really rich journey starting in Egypt, going back, going to Australia, then back to Egypt and here.  Lots of really good experiences and wonderful people along the way.  Yeah. And it's awesome to be able to hear bits about today.  I kind of, I love the story of how you've traveled so many different places, had a wealth of experience in lots of different cultures that as Christians, some of us haven't ever heard of let alone experience.  And I guess I'd love to hear about how you got into even being a monk in Egypt and going and studying in a monastery in Egypt.  And what a faith looked like, growing up for you, like a bit of the faith journey within that, rather than just the titles on what it was, but like, how did it start?  What was it like as a teenager, and then how did it develop into being an archbishop?  I will say sorry, this is quite a big deal because we have nine monthly listeners that come from Egypt.  Wow. So this is a big deal.  Egyptian listeners, so I'm pretty sure they're all leaned in at this moment.  You're on this side.  Hello to the adduction viewers.  Come on.  No, I, so I was blessed to be born into a Christian family.  And in our church, we have infant baptism, so I baptizes a child as an infant within weeks of my birth.  I grew up in churches.  I said, my grade at nose five, my father went ahead first to prepare the way for us.  And then we followed my mother, my sister and I.  And I went to school there.  I went to Catholic schools.  And again, I used to go to church.  I would serve in church in youth ministry.  I started serving Sunday school and I was 16.  And then started serving in youth ministry when I was about 18.  And I was asked by the priest who then looked after our parish to establish this sort of youth ministry from scratch with some of my colleagues.  We did that.  And so youth ministry has been very, very special to me.  And I came here with a remit to serve young people.  And although my beard is significantly more gray at the moment, I still serve with young people.  And I think it's beautiful because I find it challenging.  I find it refreshing.  You can't have too many airs and graces with young people.  They keep you grounded.  I mean, it's really easy to be caught up in the titles and the official them of lots of things.  But I find that my young people, my spiritual children, the one who keep me grounded.  And so I kept serving in the church.  I think I was like anybody else or pretty much like you guys who just, you know, did youth ministry.  And loved God and thought that this was my calling at the time.  Finish my studies.  I, my first degree, I did a bachelor of arts, major in political science, philosophy and sociology.  Big brain.  And sub major in psychology.  But I didn't like the statistics.  Give that gave that up.  They've got a math person.  Really?  And then I went into law.  And left all that.  So I had to go to the monastery, literally, as I said in the middle of the desert.  It was real calling.  You know, I didn't have bright flashing lights or voice in my ear.  But I remember the very instant that I felt that calling sitting down on the floor in my room with some books open.  And then I remember the, I remember it as if it was this morning, closed the book, put it by my side and never looked back.  Wow.  That was the moment of calling for me.  And I mean, it could have been really risky because I was the first person that church brought up abroad to go back and join a monastery in Egypt.  And so I could have gone horribly wrong.  For me, all for the monastery.  Yes.  But thankfully, the monastery is still standing so a bit.  But, you know, I found that humbling.  I found that beautiful, refreshing, going through life in the desert and living that sort of, you know, many people read about the monastic life in the other centuries.  I remember one particular incident.  I was, there was a long tunnel in the monastery between the church and another building.  And I'd walked up and down this tunnel every day.  And one particular day I was walking up the tunnel and I got these shivers down my spine.  And it struck me for the first time that monks have been walking up and down this corridor for 1,500 years.  Wow.  Gosh.  And you could smell it in the walls.  It had that distinctive, you know, desert smell to it.  And it's because you were to church there in the incense and the candles.  So it all sort of mixed up to these wonderful sort of church smell as well.  And that took me even further to say, well, if that's the case, in our Christian journey.  I mean, what we're speaking about today and what we're living today, brothers and sisters have lived for 2,000 years.  Yeah.  Ever since they walked through the streets of Jerusalem and Nazareth, you know, the Holy Lands following our Lord Jesus Christ.  And so I've been very, very blessed.  I've been blessed to be mentored very well because mentorship and discipleship are very big parts of Manasticism.  So I've been mentored well.  And that's why, you know, I love youth ministry along with mentoring.  It means that, you know, I'm reminded of what our Lord said to disciples.  He said, freely have received, freely give.  And I feel that I've received so abundantly that it's my responsibility to give as much as I can for whatever it's worth.  That's amazing.  That's so cool.  There's such a wealth of lessons learned that we, I'm hoping that we get to tap into.  Before we kind of go a bit more specific on prayer and all these kind of different themes.  I'd love to hear what it was like, like growing up in Egypt, where you hear stories from the Bible that have come from down the road.  You know, and like we've all watched the Prince of Egypt.  What a movie.  Imagine having that close by.  How do you think your Egyptian heritage and growing up there and living there affected your faith?  But it's not just that.  So we've got the Christian heritage side of it.  We've got the, you know, Joseph and being exiled there and then becoming a Prince of Egypt.  One thing people forget, you know, we read it in scripture and then we sort of gloss over it.  That when our Lord was born in Bethlehem, Joseph was born by an angel that Herod wanted to kill the child.  So he said, get up, take the young child and his mother and flee to Egypt.  Yeah.  So Egypt was their place of refuge.  Wow.  And people think that was a short time, but an actual fact.  Christ lived in Egypt for the first four years of his life.  And so, and if you ever look it up, there is a map of their journey through Egypt.  And it's like in those four years, they covered the whole country.  They literally covered the whole country.  And that's why when you look at the book of Isaiah and you read the prophecy,  bless you, my people, Egypt.  Now, I know this sounds a bit like my big, factory quitting, right?  I don't mean that everything starts in Egypt, but I, but there is a particular blessing.  And when you look at the Christians of Egypt, you know, we now represent 15%,  15%, 20% of the population are between 15 and 20 million.  Wow.  Wow.  But when you look at a whole region, it's almost been emptied of Christians.  Interesting.  So there is a very particular blessing upon Egypt.  And we've never taken up arms.  We've never been political.  We've never been a wealthy church.  We've never been influential in that way.  Right.  Just lived scriptures.  So I think there's a very particular blessing.  And for me, it's just a huge privilege to have that association.  But also, I feel that, you know, ethnicity is part of our development.  You know, we're speaking before podcast about where I came from and where you guys are from.  And the fact that our identity is cumulative.  And the fact that God continues to put these pieces together.  And when you sort of zoom out, you see this beautiful painting.  Yeah.  But when you're up close and you're seeing individual, individual brushstrokes,  it doesn't make any sense.  And so I feel that God paint one of those brushstrokes every day of our lives.  And as we move back, it then presents a wider picture of who we are in him.  And so I think that journey for me has been quite an educational journey to realize that God works with us daily,  whether it's in Egypt or Australia or here in Britain.  And on that daily journey, he forms us the way he wants to form us.  Now we can completely resist it.  He gives us that freedom to our own peril.  He gives us that freedom because, you know, I've said time and time again,  I would much rather be an automaton who has no freedom of will.  If I were just to be on the path of righteousness.  But the fact that we have choice means we sin.  And we make our own journey more difficult.  That's what being a human is, just making it complicated when it doesn't need to be.  But I loved the analogy used of the brushstroke.  And I feel like that's almost like an analogy for life.  You know, when you're living your life, you see you're in this one moment.  So it's like this tiny brushstroke and you're like, what even is this?  And it's not until like years later you look back and you see,  wow, God was painting a canvas this whole time.  And I was just obsessed with the tiny little brushstrokes of trying to make it make sense.  And I think that's so true of like being a young person,  like you're trying to figure out what am I going to do with my life?  Like what does the Lord have for me?  And it can feel very like overwhelming.  And I guess for you in that moment where like you said you had that kind of like dropped feeling in your heart  of like going towards a monastic life and like calling,  I think calling is such a like huge thing for like a lot of young people.  Like what am I going to do?  How do I know I'm called to something?  Like God, how do I know this is what you have for me?  I was wondering maybe if you could give some advice to like some young people of like,  how do I know what my calling is?  Or like how do I just follow God in what he has for me?  That's great.  Yeah, I think that's it's so true.  And I think with calling I suppose we need to be able to listen.  And so we need silence and stillness sometimes.  And we're not fans of silence and stillness in this generation.  Right?  You know, everything has to be constantly on and constantly engaged.  You know, if you look at your devices we have on our hands every day,  we're bombarded.  I haven't forbid someone might be able to tell you to leave your phone somewhere.  You know, even when I go to places,  no second, please leave your phone out here.  I'm almost horrified.  It's just like what is my heart going to keep pumping and my lungs going to keep working?  What's going to happen?  One of my favorite verses in Scripture is be still and know that I am God.  And that stillness is really important.  And quite often we think about prayer as a time of telling God.  But prayer is also a time of listening to God.  So if we want to listen, to learn, to hear a calling,  there has to be times of stillness.  And then there have to be times of reassurance that God wants us to not.  And He wants us to understand.  And even if we can't, even if we don't get it the first time we're in,  He'll try again.  He knows we're a little bit difficult and hard of hearing sometimes.  He knows we're distracted and you know,  you'll try again and again and again.  And if we just keep listening, we'll get it.  And I suppose, finally, one thing I've learned over the years,  and a lot of people don't talk about this.  We speak about calling as almost a one-time offer.  Right.  We are called throughout our lives.  So I was called to go into monastic life.  Then I was called to serve here as a priest.  Then I was called to the congregation.  And God continues to call us to different things.  And it's not like if you miss a calling, it's done.  So I think if we want to hear callings, we need to listen.  Now if we want to respond positively,  we need to be able to say what some people in the Bible have said,  here I am sending me.  Here I am listening to you.  But sometimes it's sorry, didn't quite hear that.  Did you mean this other thing that I really wanted?  But I don't want what you've suggested over here.  We do a lot of that.  We do a lot of that.  And his voice is very clear over here.  But we want to listen towards over on this side.  It's really good.  It's really good.  Yeah, I love how you're talking about how sitting in like a stillness,  sitting in prayer is the thing that helps us on our journeys to listen to God.  It's not just about telling God things, but about listening as well.  It's always great to hear it, to hear wonderful wisdom on stuff like that.  But I just wonder if there's any ever been like a personal moment in your life  where you must feel like you've hit a wall or come to a point where the road is split  like I've got to make a decision where prayer has helped affect your perspective  and helped your journey.  I wonder if there are any like personal examples of that in your story?  Oh, yeah, lots.  We have to make decisions on a daily basis.  And I suppose the toughest decisions for me are decisions that impact other people.  Because if I'm choosing for me, then I can live with the outcome.  If I'm faithful, if I'm okay, if I'm reckless, it's my responsibility.  I'm going to deal with it.  But for me, when there are decisions that impact others,  positively or negatively, and especially if it's potentially negatively,  those are the ones that I really feel need a lot of wisdom, a lot of prayer.  And so it's at that time when you get those forks in the road,  that you really have to ask for genuine wisdom and be willing to listen.  I can't imagine what it was like for Moses,  leading the children of Israel through the wilderness,  when they were so resistant.  And he sort of had to keep asking and keep seeking guidance  and keep moving ahead.  So I think at the most difficult times across a London journey,  that's when we have to keep asking.  And I think that's where community comes in handy as well.  Because if I've asked you to pray for me and with me,  then I'm even more empowered.  We're not just here to be buddies.  It's nice to be buddies.  I hope you're buddies, but it's nice.  It's not that all that is we're supposed to also be fellow travelers.  We're supposed to be companions.  That's good.  Following our Lord, following the good shepherd,  following the pillar of cloud and pillar of fire,  but journeying together.  And so when we know that we are supported by the prayers of others,  that becomes encouraging.  That's beautiful.  The wisdom is just superb.  You're just dropping so many good things.  I would love for you to kind of talk a little bit more about prayer,  but more about praying like the Coptic Orthodox Church.  I don't know.  I feel like that is a tradition that's filled with lots of,  lots of ancient traditions.  But what does prayer look like in the Coptic Orthodox Church space?  I don't know what's the importance of prayer.  Just share.  And we're asking because we want to learn.  Exactly.  I think prayer is the same for everyone.  Prayer is communication we've got.  And as I said, it is listening and speaking both.  And prayer is going to be different for different people,  even within our churches.  Because communication will communicate differently.  We communicate in the most impactful way.  So sometimes you feel like dropping a quick text,  we're just an emoji.  Sometimes you want to write a thesis on message.  No one's ever going to read.  You get those really annoying, really long messages that people send you.  You think that's not what messages are for.  But sometimes you want to do that.  And sometimes you'll make a phone call and sometimes you'll need for a coffee or for dinner.  And our communication with God is very similar.  Sometimes you would just want a quick, please help.  I need to hear your voice.  I just need to go and sit in stillness with you for a while.  So in the optical orthodox church,  there are all of those variables of prayer.  It starts from the very personal, what we call the arrow prayers.  It's just a short and sharp.  I've got this exam.  I've got a job interview.  I've got a difficulty with someone.  I know someone who's unwell.  I need healing.  That's all God needs.  And God doesn't need huge preamble and lots of detail.  He knows exactly what we're going through.  So I think that's important.  So we've got those short and sharp prayers.  But then we've got the work from the personal to the corporate.  So then we have something called the Akbar.  The Akbar is the book of Ali prayers.  And we have seven of those.  And they relate to particular stages of the day and the life of Christ.  So the first hour is the,  is the beginning, the apostles, the breaking of dawn, that kind of thing.  The third hour is the descent of the Holy Spirit.  The third hour, 6,000 crucifixion, 9th hour of death on the cross.  And so each one of those follows a particular structure.  So you would start with something called the prayer of Thanksgiving.  So every one of our prayers, including funerals,  start with something called the prayer of Thanksgiving,  where we're giving thanks to God.  And one of it says,  we thank you on every occasion in every condition for all things.  We have covered us, helped us, accepted us to you, spared us, supported us, brought us to this hour.  And so it's God, whatever we've been through, whatever I'm going through now, I thank you.  Because if it is joyous, then I'm rejoicing.  And if it's difficult, then I know you're supporting me through it or you're building me through it.  And so I thank you for it.  Start with that prayer of Thanksgiving.  Then it goes into Psalm 50,  where you'll have mercy upon me, oh God, because of your loving kindness.  And so you're saying to God,  I love you, so please have mercy on me.  And you go through, you know, purge me with His help, so cleanse me, prepare me.  And then for each hour, we'd have a series of Psalms that correspond to that theme.  So during the third hour, if we talk about the sentence of Holy Spirit, we have Psalms.  And then you have a gospel reading.  So again, for the third hour, it will be when the Holy Spirit comes.  And then a small prayer after it.  So that happens.  So of course, not everyone does the seven prayers.  And people now being in a modern life context, when people come to spiritual advice,  I might say, do a couple of them, I might say, you know, within a couple just to bits and pieces.  Prayer is a very personal thing.  And so we have to make it work personally.  This is not about imposing, you know, hard and fast rules.  Yeah.  Because what works for either of you may not work for me.  And the baseline of prayer is communication with God.  So if it's not working, it's not working.  There's no point in forcing it.  We have to be resilient sometimes.  You know, if you're trying to give someone a call and you call once, twice, three times,  and no answer, you try again, or you send a message or you go and knock on the door.  So sometimes you have to be persistent.  But we have to find the way that helps us best to communicate with God.  Great.  So does that then?  More formally, we have liturgical prayers for the Mass.  If any of your viewers are accustomed to Roman Catholic masses or hand-licant masses,  it's a Mass, it's a Eucharistic service.  Where prayers, you have communion, that's a corporate prayer.  You know, that's us coming together because as the body of Christ,  we pray together, we stand together, we lift up our hands and our hearts together.  And as with every service I've attended of every church,  there is a part called the anaphora where the priest will turn around and say,  the Lord was with you and you'll say, and with your spirit.  And let us lift up our hearts and you'll say, they are with the Lord.  So I'm sure you've heard that in other service, that's in our service as well.  So in most services, there is some sort of manifestation of that sentiment.  And I think that goes back to our common origins and heritage.  You know, before this mess we've gotten ourselves into, we were one church.  From Jerusalem, we were one church.  In our liturgies, we have a litany of the church.  And in every service we pray for the peace of the one early universal apostolic church.  And I do a lot of ecumenical work.  When that's going to happen, who knows, I don't know, might be my lifetime, probably not.  But we keep working towards it.  The fact that we come from different Christian traditions.  But we're here speaking.  And I've got to tell you, you guys, the grace on your faces is beautiful.  Because I can see it that when you're listening and you're responding and you're kind and you're gracious.  And that is just a spirit of God.  And that's beautiful. That's what we share.  We all share.  Rather than focusing on what separates us and their challenges and the divisions.  Which all exists.  We can't paper over those.  They exist. Then we have to deal with them.  But they're not the focus.  They're not the focus.  We have so much more that we share.  We have so much more in common.  We have so much more we can do together.  And I think so.  That's our Eucharistic prayer.  And as I said, we pray for the one universal church, the church of God.  To be once again, the fulfillment of what our Lord said that there'll be one flock or one shepherd.  And he is Asha.  It's amazing.  It's so awesome to hear.  One for normal traditions, but also the encouragement for unity.  Again, more than ever at the moment.  And it's beautiful.  It's beautiful to be able to be sat having a conversation from different cultures, different backgrounds.  About one God.  And I guess currently in the church.  We're seeing lots of different themes and different kind of.  Yeah, similar, but same.  Things happening, which is lots of people suddenly spiritually open.  Yeah.  And coming to God.  Yeah.  I know you're seeing that at your church.  We get means only goes to different churches.  We're both seeing it in different contexts.  I wonder what you're seeing in your context as well, Archbishop.  And the part I just wondered what your thoughts were of this whole Gen Z thing.  You know, lots of Gen Z supposedly becoming spiritual and coming to faith.  What do you think God is doing in the UK church specifically at the moment?  Okay.  You see, I think God is always doing the same thing.  It's our response to the difference.  God is always calling us to Him.  It's great.  If I ever got to, you know, I do lots of youth conferences during the year.  I can guarantee you, because what I'll do is I'll give a talk and then we'll get questions at the end.  I can pretty much guarantee you every time I got those questions.  You'll get one question, which is, how do I know God's will?  I'm sure we all grapple with that, whether you're thinking of which school to go to,  which college to go to, which job to take, which person to share your life with,  which ministry to take, all of that.  And I'm always encouraged by the, I have a really easy, like, cop out,  which is, this is the perfect will of God, your sanctification.  So what is the will of God for me?  My sanctification.  Whatever that means, whether it's your course, your job, your partner, your life, your ministry,  it's sanctification.  That's what He calls us to.  Wow, it's great.  I also think, and this is me having a minor rant, so please prepare.  We welcome the rant.  Grant coming.  Welcome.  We have got to fight against this ridiculous narrative.  That faith is not important.  That the church is dead.  Christianity is irrelevant.  That is not what I see.  It's not what I see in my church.  It's not what I see in lots of churches.  It's, I see, you know, as I said, I've been here for 30 years.  I think the church is the strongest.  It has ever been since I've been here.  I see so many, you know, different churches, whether it's the Blackled churches,  whether it's the Evangelical, Pentecostal, Charismatic, you know, the,  sort of the Church of England parishes, the Catholic churches,  the church in tall manifestation, Orthodoxy, there is, there is a dynamic church.  There is a dynamic presence.  It's encouraging.  Really encouraging.  And we've, we've got to fight against that narrative.  When people say to you, oh, but most people, and I'll stop them and say,  what is most people?  How do you define that?  And who have you actually spoken to?  You know, because the five people who are sitting around your coffee table  having a rant about their church, that is not most people.  We've got to look at where the church is alive.  We've got to look at where the church is still a vehicle of grace  and a vehicle of God's message.  We become, I think, insulators to that message sometimes,  where we don't allow it to be communicated through us.  And so if that's a problem, it's a problem with us.  But I think that the world needs the church more than ever.  Yeah.  You know, I, I do a lot of ecumenical work.  This year is a very important year for the church.  So in, take you back a little bit to 385, 385 AD, right?  The Council of My Seer.  There was a heresy that challenged the divinity of Christ.  And the church came together and it addressed this heresy  and it said, no, we are speaking of a God who is light from light,  true God from true God, bigotum not created.  Now, you'll recognize those words from the Creed.  Yeah.  Right?  325 AD, Council of My Seer is where the Creed was written.  So this year marks 1700 years since that day.  Wow.  And doing a variety of things this year to do with that.  And it's encouraging because that is something we can all share  as the church means, all celebrated as the church.  You know, I recognize that some churches don't use the Creed as the Creed.  And the vast majority of Christians around the world are credo.  And even if people don't recite the Creed, they will accept and believe  in everything in the Creed.  So that is a common point of celebration within this this year,  which is really important.  And the more we find common ground,  and the more we find things to work together on,  the more that will become real.  But it's not just in terms of discussion of theology.  I mean, I think back to the pandemic.  Right?  That is where the church was shining.  Because suddenly you had all the social work,  you had the food banks, you had the visitations,  you had people dropping off medication to people.  They had neighbors asking about each other.  You had prayer meetings online.  The church became the church.  And that's one of the most important.  And back then it was all of us working together and witnessing together  and giving hope together.  So yeah, I think there is a lot we can do together.  And I'm a firm believer in that.  So I'm assuming you two have been friends for a while.  I'm sure there are things you differ on.  But that doesn't become the focus of your conversation every time you meet.  Right?  You focus on what you have in common, friends you have in common,  your ministry here, your work,  whereas maybe as churches every time you come together,  you're like, okay, what do we differ on?  I think that's not a starting point.  Yeah.  That's what we should be doing.  Yeah, we, I think we need to address that.  And I think that was the perfect time.  I mean, what we're seeing,  what we're seeing in the church of like more people coming to church  and now more than ever, why aren't we unified?  You know, why aren't more now than ever?  Aren't we on the same page?  And I think like he said, it's us doing this together.  And well, they were seeing like great stats.  Like there's a stat that says like,  there's two million more people that are going to church now  than there was like six years ago in the UK,  which is great.  But in London alone, there's like nine million people  that live in London.  So like again, great feat.  But also guys, let's get on the same page  because people need the gospel.  Like the church needs to be active,  which also means that like for a lot of us,  we might have friends or family or no people  that are coming to faith in exploring church.  And that's fun.  But then that means there's also a lot of people that aren't  in our lives.  And I think, you know, for us that are seeing,  maybe we've got friends that aren't in the faith  or we've got, you know, colleagues or whoever.  Like I guess what encouragement would you give for us  on how we could be praying?  Like has a church as young people?  How could we be praying for those that aren't in the faith  or for those to find Jesus?  I think the first realization goes a little bit  against our own pride as human beings.  And that is that we are never making the difference.  We are calling people to experience difference that God makes.  Wow.  Right?  So quite often we put that responsibility on ourselves.  I've got to do this.  We have to do this.  No, we don't.  We just got to get out of the way and let God work.  The best we can do, the best we can do is reflect.  You know, optimal reflect his light.  If you can't do that, get out of the way and let him shine.  Don't be an obstacle.  So you get.  And so I think if we just let God work and we become conduits  of his work and mirrors of his work,  it makes such a difference.  And I think  growing up in a Catholic school,  there was just one him that we always used to pray.  It just came to me now.  You know, and they will know we are Christians by our love.  Right?  That was one of the lines.  You can tell a Christian.  And listen, does it make us better than anyone else?  I'm not saying there is nothing more annoying  than a triumphalist arrogant Christian.  I believe religion.  Because that is so far from the image of Christ.  Right.  So.  But you can tell.  Because when grace and grace of God shines through us,  it is irrefutable.  And so we need to be able to be conduits, conductors of that grace.  And when we do that, that's what makes a difference.  With all due respect to you and everybody else,  we are not the ones who make a difference.  Yeah.  We just become vehicles and bridges.  So good.  And he can make all the difference  if we're just letting work through us.  Hmm.  Oh, it's so good.  Well, we've hit so many different places in this podcast.  So good.  I'm calling to little brushes of identity.  To get out of the way.  To get out of the way.  To get out of the way.  To get out of the way.  It's like, it's honestly phenomenal.  And it's such a joy to have you on the podcast.  I guess that as we're beginning to come to a close,  I'd love to just hear some final, just general thoughts and wisdom,  maybe a message that's specifically on your heart at the moment.  I love the fact that you are a youth worker.  I mean, we're looking for a youth pastor at the moment.  You know, if you want to apply.  Let me know what to send to my CV.  But like, it's amazing because you have a heart for youth.  And so do we.  A heart for students.  And so do we.  And I guess, is there any specific message or thing on your heart  that you'd love to communicate before we come to a close  to that kind of generation to Gen Z.  But also to whoever's watching.  We'll have 40 year olds watching 50 year olds.  Hopefully, one more.  I'm glad you're thinking that 40 for the upper range.  Yeah.  I love that.  Anyway, we'll talk about young people's history.  Yeah.  Yeah.  We know when you go to the Middle East and you go to youth meetings.  So youth can mean anything from like 12 to 50.  Okay.  I mean, watch your words.  Watch your words.  Yeah.  Watch your words.  Yeah.  Don't lose hope.  Don't lose hope.  Don't believe.  The prophets of doom.  Don't give opportunity to those who will take your hope away from you.  Because God is our hope.  Yeah.  And in the darkest times He shines most.  And at times when we are most in pain and in need,  that's when He'll make the greatest difference.  So growing up now is a real challenge.  If you think about everything surrounding young people now,  and then generations that are coming are going to be even more challenging.  Life is more complicated.  I'm not saying life wasn't hard, but there are difficulties and there are difficulties.  And now even the most simple realities are being challenged.  It's like we're constantly being told there is no absolute anymore.  But we know there is.  Yeah.  And so we've got to not buy into that.  So yeah, it's tough growing up now.  And it's tough making decisions.  And it's tough navigating ethical issues and moral issues and trying to live a good life.  But I have seen so many incredibly inspiring young people, both in my church and outside,  like the tour of you and many people who are on your podcast.  And I'm encouraged by that.  And I'm encouraged personally because I think, okay, there's still grace in the world.  God is still there.  He's still working for people.  But I also learn.  I don't know not from young people.  I learn hope and resilience and creativity.  And I think being around the young people I serve, again within the community or outside the community,  I've learned to be more creative.  And to give them more space to work.  So there are two things.  And they're going to see in paradoxical.  I don't believe that young people are the church of the future.  I think they're now.  So I think saying you're the future just kicks it down the road.  But I think it's now.  But with all my love and respect for young people, I also don't believe.  And let's all hand it all over to them.  Because the church is a continuity.  The church is all of us.  You know, I'm not going to serve you with the inclusion of your parents or your grandparents.  Because they have every right to be served and every right to be heard and every right to be ministered to.  And if we nurture a self, a generation of selfish young people,  one of doing the many things.  Wow.  Wow.  I think, you know, I don't board your respect.  I don't think young people are the center of the universe.  Yeah.  I think every person is the center of the universe.  Yeah.  And when we teach young people to respect those who have gone before them  and follow in their footsteps and do things even better,  and we teach older people to respect those who are coming behind them  and to empower and enable them, then we get the beauty of the church.  So good.  And I think that's really important.  It doesn't have to be this polarity.  We don't have to do it between young and old men and women.  All of that.  Yeah.  It's not the way it is.  The church is a beautiful, beautiful mosaic of little tiles  that in and of themselves may look relatively insignificant.  But when they put in the right spot  and they come together and work,  you get a beautiful mosaic.  Yeah.  And I think each and every one of us just has to be that tile  allow God to put us in the right space and then stand back.  Yeah.  And see.  So good.  Archbishop, that is so good.  That's such a word that we need to hear genuinely.  And such a word inspired by God.  You know, God's words are always good.  I can sit and talk for hours.  I don't think these poor people wouldn't listen for hours.  But I can sit and talk for hours because I love it.  Because God's word is so good.  Yeah.  And there is so much to share.  If we share it properly, if we make it relevant  and if we make it accessible.  But we sometimes try to become gatekeepers,  the God's word, or we come obstacles to God's word.  And neither of those is helpful.  Hmm.  Hmm.  That's.  It's a good challenge.  I love it.  I love so much.  The gentle encouragement, the storytelling which speaks lessons  and then the gentle challenges at the end.  It's very good.  It was amazing.  Yeah.  Awesome experiences for me to listen to that alone.  Hopefully you guys are watching at home.  And guys, thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of the podcast.  Thanks for watching.  And thank you, Archbishop, for joining us.  It was so kind of you.  Come out of your way.  And make sure that you tune in.  Like and subscribe and do all that stuff.  Like and subscribe to the podcast next week or whatever content we push out.  But we will see you very soon.  Good bless you guys and see you later.  Bye.","word_count":8067,"segments":[{"start":0,"end":7.8,"text":" Hey guys, just before we get into the podcast, we just wanted to let you know that we are currently in the process of fundraising for a short film called Between Sundays.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.23622685185185185,"compression_ratio":1.6439628482972137,"no_speech_prob":0.09246826171875,"words":[]},{"start":7.8,"end":10.8,"text":" There'll be a link down in the description for you to give, but yeah.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.23622685185185185,"compression_ratio":1.6439628482972137,"no_speech_prob":0.09246826171875,"words":[]},{"start":10.8,"end":17.2,"text":" Anything you guys give, we would so greatly appreciate it, and just thank you in advance for all of you that have given already.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.23622685185185185,"compression_ratio":1.6439628482972137,"no_speech_prob":0.09246826171875,"words":[]},{"start":17.2,"end":19.8,"text":" But yeah, without further ado, let's get into the podcast.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.23622685185185185,"compression_ratio":1.6439628482972137,"no_speech_prob":0.09246826171875,"words":[]},{"start":19.8,"end":20.8,"text":" You!","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.23622685185185185,"compression_ratio":1.6439628482972137,"no_speech_prob":0.09246826171875,"words":[]},{"start":21.2,"end":27.400000000000002,"text":" Welcome back to the Way UK Podcast. 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And it's awesome to be able to hear bits about today.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.21595982142857142,"compression_ratio":1.4952830188679245,"no_speech_prob":0.035858154296875,"words":[]},{"start":198.4,"end":213.6,"text":" I kind of, I love the story of how you've traveled so many different places, had a wealth of experience in lots of different cultures that as Christians, some of us haven't ever heard of let alone experience.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.18997231012658228,"compression_ratio":1.5876777251184835,"no_speech_prob":0.11016845703125,"words":[]},{"start":213.6,"end":224.2,"text":" And I guess I'd love to hear about how you got into even being a monk in Egypt and going and studying in a monastery in Egypt.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.18997231012658228,"compression_ratio":1.5876777251184835,"no_speech_prob":0.11016845703125,"words":[]},{"start":224.20000000000002,"end":234.60000000000002,"text":" And what a faith looked like, growing up for you, like a bit of the faith journey within that, rather than just the titles on what it was, but like, how did it start?","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.19852941176470587,"compression_ratio":1.620253164556962,"no_speech_prob":0.0693359375,"words":[]},{"start":234.60000000000002,"end":240.4,"text":" What was it like as a teenager, and then how did it develop into being an archbishop?","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.19852941176470587,"compression_ratio":1.620253164556962,"no_speech_prob":0.0693359375,"words":[]},{"start":240.4,"end":246.8,"text":" I will say sorry, this is quite a big deal because we have nine monthly listeners that come from Egypt.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.19852941176470587,"compression_ratio":1.620253164556962,"no_speech_prob":0.0693359375,"words":[]},{"start":246.8,"end":248.8,"text":" Wow. 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that you tune in.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.16618217054263565,"compression_ratio":1.6602316602316602,"no_speech_prob":0.439697265625,"words":[]},{"start":2913.8,"end":2916.8,"text":" Like and subscribe and do all that stuff.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.16618217054263565,"compression_ratio":1.6602316602316602,"no_speech_prob":0.439697265625,"words":[]},{"start":2916.8,"end":2920.8,"text":" Like and subscribe to the podcast next week or whatever content we push out.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.3155886627906977,"compression_ratio":1.3130434782608695,"no_speech_prob":0.303955078125,"words":[]},{"start":2920.8,"end":2922.8,"text":" But we will see you very soon.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.3155886627906977,"compression_ratio":1.3130434782608695,"no_speech_prob":0.303955078125,"words":[]},{"start":2922.8,"end":2924.8,"text":" Good bless you guys and see you later.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.3155886627906977,"compression_ratio":1.3130434782608695,"no_speech_prob":0.303955078125,"words":[]},{"start":2924.8,"end":2925.8,"text":" Bye.","temperature":0,"avg_logprob":-0.3155886627906977,"compression_ratio":1.3130434782608695,"no_speech_prob":0.303955078125,"words":[]}],"vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n1\n00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.799\n Hey guys, just before we get into the podcast, we just wanted to let you know that we are currently in the process of fundraising for a short film called Between Sundays.\n\n2\n00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:10.800\n There'll be a link down in the description for you to give, but yeah.\n\n3\n00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:17.199\n Anything you guys give, we would so greatly appreciate it, and just thank you in advance for all of you that have given already.\n\n4\n00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:19.800\n But yeah, without further ado, let's get into the podcast.\n\n5\n00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:20.800\n You!\n\n6\n00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:27.400\n Welcome back to the Way UK Podcast. My name is Jesse. I'm joined by the wonderful co-host, Senya.\n\n7\n00:00:27.400 --> 00:00:33.000\n And today, we have a very special thus, the Archbishop and Gaylos.\n\n8\n00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:34.000\n Come on.\n\n9\n00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:35.000\n Did I pronounce your name right?\n\n10\n00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:36.000\n You did, actually.\n\n11\n00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:37.000\n I did, okay.\n\n12\n00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:40.200\n So you have to tell people how to pronounce it and syllables, and I bet you that don't really well, Jesse.\n\n13\n00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:41.200\n Thank you.\n\n14\n00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:42.200\n Come on.\n\n15\n00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:43.200\n It's only lovely to be here with you.\n\n16\n00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:46.600\n Archbishop, it's a real joy to have you on our sofa.\n\n17\n00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:49.800\n We've got many special guests here, and we have another one today.\n\n18\n00:00:49.800 --> 00:01:03.400\n And before we started filming, you're giving us a little bit of your geographical journey, where you grew up, and your journey over the past couple of years.\n\n19\n00:01:03.400 --> 00:01:15.400\n And I was wondering if you'd be able to tell the listeners, tell the watches kind of a bit of your story in terms of how, where you grew up, where you are now, who you are a little bit, as a little introduction to you.\n\n20\n00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:17.400\n Thank you.\n\n21\n00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:25.000\n I feel honored to be here, and I'm sure this armchair could tell lots of stories, and I'm happy to share one.\n\n22\n00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:32.000\n So I was born in Egypt to optical orthodox Christian parents.\n\n23\n00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.000\n We migrated as a family when I was five to Australia.\n\n24\n00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:40.200\n And so I grew up there, had my education, study, and work.\n\n25\n00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:45.800\n And once I finished all that, I went back to Egypt to join the monastery.\n\n26\n00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:49.000\n So our monasteries were actually literally in the middle of the desert.\n\n27\n00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:57.399\n You know, when you read the stories of the desert fathers and mothers of the four, five, six centuries, that's where our monasteries are.\n\n28\n00:01:57.399 --> 00:02:04.200\n So I went back to a place called Wedi Notreu, which is halfway between Cairo and Alexandria.\n\n29\n00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:13.800\n It's a very, it's a monastic era with lots of heritage, dating back to the fourth century.\n\n30\n00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:23.000\n And when I got there, I was taken under the wing of our then Pope.\n\n31\n00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:29.800\n So there were two churches, the one that used the title Pope, Rome, and then Alexandria, the optical orthodox church.\n\n32\n00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:39.400\n And took me under his wing, I became his disciple, I, you know, I became his private secretary for six years.\n\n33\n00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:45.600\n After that, he, he said to me, you've had enough administrative experience now.\n\n34\n00:02:45.600 --> 00:02:47.400\n I want you to get some pastoral experience.\n\n35\n00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:55.000\n So sent me here, I've, I served here for four years as a monk priest.\n\n36\n00:02:55.000 --> 00:03:00.599\n And then in 1999, we co-bishop, and I've been serving here ever since.\n\n37\n00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:10.000\n So I really, rich, really rich journey starting in Egypt, going back, going to Australia, then back to Egypt and here.\n\n38\n00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:13.400\n Lots of really good experiences and wonderful people along the way.\n\n39\n00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:18.000\n Yeah. And it's awesome to be able to hear bits about today.\n\n40\n00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:33.599\n I kind of, I love the story of how you've traveled so many different places, had a wealth of experience in lots of different cultures that as Christians, some of us haven't ever heard of let alone experience.\n\n41\n00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:44.199\n And I guess I'd love to hear about how you got into even being a monk in Egypt and going and studying in a monastery in Egypt.\n\n42\n00:03:44.200 --> 00:03:54.600\n And what a faith looked like, growing up for you, like a bit of the faith journey within that, rather than just the titles on what it was, but like, how did it start?\n\n43\n00:03:54.600 --> 00:04:00.400\n What was it like as a teenager, and then how did it develop into being an archbishop?\n\n44\n00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:06.800\n I will say sorry, this is quite a big deal because we have nine monthly listeners that come from Egypt.\n\n45\n00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:08.800\n Wow. So this is a big deal.\n\n46\n00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:13.800\n Egyptian listeners, so I'm pretty sure they're all leaned in at this moment.\n\n47\n00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:15.800\n You're on this side.\n\n48\n00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:17.800\n Hello to the adduction viewers.\n\n49\n00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:19.800\n Come on.\n\n50\n00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:26.800\n No, I, so I was blessed to be born into a Christian family.\n\n51\n00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:34.800\n And in our church, we have infant baptism, so I baptizes a child as an infant within weeks of my birth.\n\n52\n00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:36.800\n I grew up in churches.\n\n53\n00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:44.800\n I said, my grade at nose five, my father went ahead first to prepare the way for us.\n\n54\n00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:48.800\n And then we followed my mother, my sister and I.\n\n55\n00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.800\n And I went to school there.\n\n56\n00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:55.800\n I went to Catholic schools.\n\n57\n00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:57.800\n And again, I used to go to church.\n\n58\n00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.800\n I would serve in church in youth ministry.\n\n59\n00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:06.800\n I started serving Sunday school and I was 16.\n\n60\n00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:13.800\n And then started serving in youth ministry when I was about 18.\n\n61\n00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:26.800\n And I was asked by the priest who then looked after our parish to establish this sort of youth ministry from scratch with some of my colleagues.\n\n62\n00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:28.800\n We did that.\n\n63\n00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.800\n And so youth ministry has been very, very special to me.\n\n64\n00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.800\n And I came here with a remit to serve young people.\n\n65\n00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:41.800\n And although my beard is significantly more gray at the moment, I still serve with young people.\n\n66\n00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.800\n And I think it's beautiful because I find it challenging.\n\n67\n00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.800\n I find it refreshing.\n\n68\n00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.800\n You can't have too many airs and graces with young people.\n\n69\n00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:54.800\n They keep you grounded.\n\n70\n00:05:54.800 --> 00:06:02.800\n I mean, it's really easy to be caught up in the titles and the official them of lots of things.\n\n71\n00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:09.800\n But I find that my young people, my spiritual children, the one who keep me grounded.\n\n72\n00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.800\n And so I kept serving in the church.\n\n73\n00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:19.800\n I think I was like anybody else or pretty much like you guys who just, you know, did youth ministry.\n\n74\n00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:25.800\n And loved God and thought that this was my calling at the time.\n\n75\n00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:27.800\n Finish my studies.\n\n76\n00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:33.800\n I, my first degree, I did a bachelor of arts, major in political science, philosophy and sociology.\n\n77\n00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:34.800\n Big brain.\n\n78\n00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:36.800\n And sub major in psychology.\n\n79\n00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:38.800\n But I didn't like the statistics.\n\n80\n00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:40.800\n Give that gave that up.\n\n81\n00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:42.800\n They've got a math person.\n\n82\n00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:43.800\n Really?\n\n83\n00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.800\n And then I went into law.\n\n84\n00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.800\n And left all that.\n\n85\n00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:54.800\n So I had to go to the monastery, literally, as I said in the middle of the desert.\n\n86\n00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:55.800\n It was real calling.\n\n87\n00:06:55.800 --> 00:07:00.800\n You know, I didn't have bright flashing lights or voice in my ear.\n\n88\n00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:09.800\n But I remember the very instant that I felt that calling sitting down on the floor in my room with some books open.\n\n89\n00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:16.800\n And then I remember the, I remember it as if it was this morning, closed the book, put it by my side and never looked back.\n\n90\n00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:17.800\n Wow.\n\n91\n00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:19.800\n That was the moment of calling for me.\n\n92\n00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:35.800\n And I mean, it could have been really risky because I was the first person that church brought up abroad to go back and join a monastery in Egypt.\n\n93\n00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:37.800\n And so I could have gone horribly wrong.\n\n94\n00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.800\n For me, all for the monastery.\n\n95\n00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:40.800\n Yes.\n\n96\n00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.800\n But thankfully, the monastery is still standing so a bit.\n\n97\n00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.800\n But, you know, I found that humbling.\n\n98\n00:07:48.800 --> 00:08:01.800\n I found that beautiful, refreshing, going through life in the desert and living that sort of, you know, many people read about the monastic life in the other centuries.\n\n99\n00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:03.800\n I remember one particular incident.\n\n100\n00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:10.800\n I was, there was a long tunnel in the monastery between the church and another building.\n\n101\n00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.800\n And I'd walked up and down this tunnel every day.\n\n102\n00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:19.800\n And one particular day I was walking up the tunnel and I got these shivers down my spine.\n\n103\n00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:28.800\n And it struck me for the first time that monks have been walking up and down this corridor for 1,500 years.\n\n104\n00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:29.800\n Wow.\n\n105\n00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:31.800\n Gosh.\n\n106\n00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:33.799\n And you could smell it in the walls.\n\n107\n00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:40.799\n It had that distinctive, you know, desert smell to it.\n\n108\n00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:43.799\n And it's because you were to church there in the incense and the candles.\n\n109\n00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:48.799\n So it all sort of mixed up to these wonderful sort of church smell as well.\n\n110\n00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:55.799\n And that took me even further to say, well, if that's the case, in our Christian journey.\n\n111\n00:08:55.799 --> 00:09:01.799\n I mean, what we're speaking about today and what we're living today, brothers and sisters have lived for 2,000 years.\n\n112\n00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:02.799\n Yeah.\n\n113\n00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:13.799\n Ever since they walked through the streets of Jerusalem and Nazareth, you know, the Holy Lands following our Lord Jesus Christ.\n\n114\n00:09:14.800 --> 00:09:17.800\n And so I've been very, very blessed.\n\n115\n00:09:17.800 --> 00:09:25.800\n I've been blessed to be mentored very well because mentorship and discipleship are very big parts of Manasticism.\n\n116\n00:09:25.800 --> 00:09:28.800\n So I've been mentored well.\n\n117\n00:09:28.800 --> 00:09:35.800\n And that's why, you know, I love youth ministry along with mentoring.\n\n118\n00:09:35.800 --> 00:09:40.800\n It means that, you know, I'm reminded of what our Lord said to disciples.\n\n119\n00:09:40.800 --> 00:09:44.800\n He said, freely have received, freely give.\n\n120\n00:09:44.800 --> 00:09:53.800\n And I feel that I've received so abundantly that it's my responsibility to give as much as I can for whatever it's worth.\n\n121\n00:09:53.800 --> 00:09:54.800\n That's amazing.\n\n122\n00:09:54.800 --> 00:09:55.800\n That's so cool.\n\n123\n00:09:55.800 --> 00:10:01.800\n There's such a wealth of lessons learned that we, I'm hoping that we get to tap into.\n\n124\n00:10:01.800 --> 00:10:07.800\n Before we kind of go a bit more specific on prayer and all these kind of different themes.\n\n125\n00:10:07.800 --> 00:10:16.800\n I'd love to hear what it was like, like growing up in Egypt, where you hear stories from the Bible that have come from down the road.\n\n126\n00:10:16.800 --> 00:10:19.800\n You know, and like we've all watched the Prince of Egypt.\n\n127\n00:10:19.800 --> 00:10:20.800\n What a movie.\n\n128\n00:10:21.800 --> 00:10:23.800\n Imagine having that close by.\n\n129\n00:10:23.800 --> 00:10:31.800\n How do you think your Egyptian heritage and growing up there and living there affected your faith?\n\n130\n00:10:31.800 --> 00:10:32.800\n But it's not just that.\n\n131\n00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:34.800\n So we've got the Christian heritage side of it.\n\n132\n00:10:34.800 --> 00:10:43.800\n We've got the, you know, Joseph and being exiled there and then becoming a Prince of Egypt.\n\n133\n00:10:43.800 --> 00:10:47.800\n One thing people forget, you know, we read it in scripture and then we sort of gloss over it.\n\n134\n00:10:48.800 --> 00:10:57.800\n That when our Lord was born in Bethlehem, Joseph was born by an angel that Herod wanted to kill the child.\n\n135\n00:10:57.800 --> 00:11:02.800\n So he said, get up, take the young child and his mother and flee to Egypt.\n\n136\n00:11:02.800 --> 00:11:03.800\n Yeah.\n\n137\n00:11:03.800 --> 00:11:06.800\n So Egypt was their place of refuge.\n\n138\n00:11:06.800 --> 00:11:07.800\n Wow.\n\n139\n00:11:07.800 --> 00:11:11.800\n And people think that was a short time, but an actual fact.\n\n140\n00:11:11.800 --> 00:11:14.800\n Christ lived in Egypt for the first four years of his life.\n\n141\n00:11:15.800 --> 00:11:24.800\n And so, and if you ever look it up, there is a map of their journey through Egypt.\n\n142\n00:11:24.800 --> 00:11:27.800\n And it's like in those four years, they covered the whole country.\n\n143\n00:11:27.800 --> 00:11:29.800\n They literally covered the whole country.\n\n144\n00:11:29.800 --> 00:11:35.800\n And that's why when you look at the book of Isaiah and you read the prophecy,\n\n145\n00:11:35.800 --> 00:11:37.800\n bless you, my people, Egypt.\n\n146\n00:11:37.800 --> 00:11:40.800\n Now, I know this sounds a bit like my big, factory quitting, right?\n\n147\n00:11:41.800 --> 00:11:46.800\n I don't mean that everything starts in Egypt, but I, but there is a particular blessing.\n\n148\n00:11:46.800 --> 00:11:53.800\n And when you look at the Christians of Egypt, you know, we now represent 15%,\n\n149\n00:11:53.800 --> 00:11:56.800\n 15%, 20% of the population are between 15 and 20 million.\n\n150\n00:11:56.800 --> 00:11:57.800\n Wow.\n\n151\n00:11:57.800 --> 00:11:58.800\n Wow.\n\n152\n00:11:58.800 --> 00:12:03.800\n But when you look at a whole region, it's almost been emptied of Christians.\n\n153\n00:12:03.800 --> 00:12:04.800\n Interesting.\n\n154\n00:12:04.800 --> 00:12:08.800\n So there is a very particular blessing upon Egypt.\n\n155\n00:12:08.800 --> 00:12:10.800\n And we've never taken up arms.\n\n156\n00:12:10.800 --> 00:12:12.800\n We've never been political.\n\n157\n00:12:12.800 --> 00:12:14.800\n We've never been a wealthy church.\n\n158\n00:12:14.800 --> 00:12:16.800\n We've never been influential in that way.\n\n159\n00:12:16.800 --> 00:12:17.800\n Right.\n\n160\n00:12:17.800 --> 00:12:18.800\n Just lived scriptures.\n\n161\n00:12:18.800 --> 00:12:21.800\n So I think there's a very particular blessing.\n\n162\n00:12:21.800 --> 00:12:30.800\n And for me, it's just a huge privilege to have that association.\n\n163\n00:12:30.800 --> 00:12:43.800\n But also, I feel that, you know, ethnicity is part of our development.\n\n164\n00:12:43.800 --> 00:12:48.800\n You know, we're speaking before podcast about where I came from and where you guys are from.\n\n165\n00:12:48.800 --> 00:12:52.800\n And the fact that our identity is cumulative.\n\n166\n00:12:52.800 --> 00:12:56.800\n And the fact that God continues to put these pieces together.\n\n167\n00:12:56.800 --> 00:13:03.800\n And when you sort of zoom out, you see this beautiful painting.\n\n168\n00:13:03.800 --> 00:13:04.800\n Yeah.\n\n169\n00:13:04.800 --> 00:13:08.800\n But when you're up close and you're seeing individual, individual brushstrokes,\n\n170\n00:13:08.800 --> 00:13:10.800\n it doesn't make any sense.\n\n171\n00:13:10.800 --> 00:13:16.800\n And so I feel that God paint one of those brushstrokes every day of our lives.\n\n172\n00:13:17.800 --> 00:13:25.800\n And as we move back, it then presents a wider picture of who we are in him.\n\n173\n00:13:25.800 --> 00:13:36.800\n And so I think that journey for me has been quite an educational journey to realize that God works with us daily,\n\n174\n00:13:36.800 --> 00:13:40.800\n whether it's in Egypt or Australia or here in Britain.\n\n175\n00:13:41.800 --> 00:13:47.800\n And on that daily journey, he forms us the way he wants to form us.\n\n176\n00:13:47.800 --> 00:13:49.800\n Now we can completely resist it.\n\n177\n00:13:49.800 --> 00:13:54.800\n He gives us that freedom to our own peril.\n\n178\n00:13:54.800 --> 00:13:58.800\n He gives us that freedom because, you know, I've said time and time again,\n\n179\n00:13:58.800 --> 00:14:08.800\n I would much rather be an automaton who has no freedom of will.\n\n180\n00:14:08.800 --> 00:14:11.800\n If I were just to be on the path of righteousness.\n\n181\n00:14:11.800 --> 00:14:15.800\n But the fact that we have choice means we sin.\n\n182\n00:14:15.800 --> 00:14:18.800\n And we make our own journey more difficult.\n\n183\n00:14:18.800 --> 00:14:25.800\n That's what being a human is, just making it complicated when it doesn't need to be.\n\n184\n00:14:25.800 --> 00:14:29.800\n But I loved the analogy used of the brushstroke.\n\n185\n00:14:29.800 --> 00:14:32.800\n And I feel like that's almost like an analogy for life.\n\n186\n00:14:32.800 --> 00:14:35.800\n You know, when you're living your life, you see you're in this one moment.\n\n187\n00:14:35.800 --> 00:14:38.800\n So it's like this tiny brushstroke and you're like, what even is this?\n\n188\n00:14:38.800 --> 00:14:41.800\n And it's not until like years later you look back and you see,\n\n189\n00:14:41.800 --> 00:14:43.800\n wow, God was painting a canvas this whole time.\n\n190\n00:14:43.800 --> 00:14:47.800\n And I was just obsessed with the tiny little brushstrokes of trying to make it make sense.\n\n191\n00:14:47.800 --> 00:14:50.800\n And I think that's so true of like being a young person,\n\n192\n00:14:50.800 --> 00:14:53.800\n like you're trying to figure out what am I going to do with my life?\n\n193\n00:14:53.800 --> 00:14:55.800\n Like what does the Lord have for me?\n\n194\n00:14:55.800 --> 00:14:57.800\n And it can feel very like overwhelming.\n\n195\n00:14:57.800 --> 00:15:03.800\n And I guess for you in that moment where like you said you had that kind of like dropped feeling in your heart\n\n196\n00:15:03.800 --> 00:15:06.800\n of like going towards a monastic life and like calling,\n\n197\n00:15:06.800 --> 00:15:10.800\n I think calling is such a like huge thing for like a lot of young people.\n\n198\n00:15:10.800 --> 00:15:11.800\n Like what am I going to do?\n\n199\n00:15:11.800 --> 00:15:13.800\n How do I know I'm called to something?\n\n200\n00:15:13.800 --> 00:15:15.800\n Like God, how do I know this is what you have for me?\n\n201\n00:15:15.800 --> 00:15:19.800\n I was wondering maybe if you could give some advice to like some young people of like,\n\n202\n00:15:19.800 --> 00:15:21.800\n how do I know what my calling is?\n\n203\n00:15:21.800 --> 00:15:25.800\n Or like how do I just follow God in what he has for me?\n\n204\n00:15:25.800 --> 00:15:26.800\n That's great.\n\n205\n00:15:26.800 --> 00:15:29.800\n Yeah, I think that's it's so true.\n\n206\n00:15:29.800 --> 00:15:40.800\n And I think with calling I suppose we need to be able to listen.\n\n207\n00:15:40.800 --> 00:15:45.800\n And so we need silence and stillness sometimes.\n\n208\n00:15:45.800 --> 00:15:49.800\n And we're not fans of silence and stillness in this generation.\n\n209\n00:15:49.800 --> 00:15:50.800\n Right?\n\n210\n00:15:50.800 --> 00:15:54.800\n You know, everything has to be constantly on and constantly engaged.\n\n211\n00:15:54.800 --> 00:15:58.800\n You know, if you look at your devices we have on our hands every day,\n\n212\n00:15:58.800 --> 00:16:01.800\n we're bombarded.\n\n213\n00:16:01.800 --> 00:16:05.800\n I haven't forbid someone might be able to tell you to leave your phone somewhere.\n\n214\n00:16:05.800 --> 00:16:09.800\n You know, even when I go to places,\n\n215\n00:16:09.800 --> 00:16:13.800\n no second, please leave your phone out here.\n\n216\n00:16:13.800 --> 00:16:15.800\n I'm almost horrified.\n\n217\n00:16:15.800 --> 00:16:20.800\n It's just like what is my heart going to keep pumping and my lungs going to keep working?\n\n218\n00:16:20.800 --> 00:16:21.800\n What's going to happen?\n\n219\n00:16:21.800 --> 00:16:33.800\n One of my favorite verses in Scripture is be still and know that I am God.\n\n220\n00:16:33.800 --> 00:16:38.800\n And that stillness is really important.\n\n221\n00:16:38.800 --> 00:16:45.800\n And quite often we think about prayer as a time of telling God.\n\n222\n00:16:45.800 --> 00:16:48.800\n But prayer is also a time of listening to God.\n\n223\n00:16:48.800 --> 00:16:56.800\n So if we want to listen, to learn, to hear a calling,\n\n224\n00:16:56.800 --> 00:17:01.800\n there has to be times of stillness.\n\n225\n00:17:01.800 --> 00:17:10.800\n And then there have to be times of reassurance that God wants us to not.\n\n226\n00:17:10.800 --> 00:17:12.800\n And He wants us to understand.\n\n227\n00:17:12.800 --> 00:17:15.800\n And even if we can't, even if we don't get it the first time we're in,\n\n228\n00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:17.799\n He'll try again.\n\n229\n00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.799\n He knows we're a little bit difficult and hard of hearing sometimes.\n\n230\n00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:23.799\n He knows we're distracted and you know,\n\n231\n00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.799\n you'll try again and again and again.\n\n232\n00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.799\n And if we just keep listening, we'll get it.\n\n233\n00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:34.799\n And I suppose, finally, one thing I've learned over the years,\n\n234\n00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:37.799\n and a lot of people don't talk about this.\n\n235\n00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:42.799\n We speak about calling as almost a one-time offer.\n\n236\n00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:43.799\n Right.\n\n237\n00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.799\n We are called throughout our lives.\n\n238\n00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:52.799\n So I was called to go into monastic life.\n\n239\n00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:56.799\n Then I was called to serve here as a priest.\n\n240\n00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:58.799\n Then I was called to the congregation.\n\n241\n00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:03.799\n And God continues to call us to different things.\n\n242\n00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:08.799\n And it's not like if you miss a calling, it's done.\n\n243\n00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:14.799\n So I think if we want to hear callings, we need to listen.\n\n244\n00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.799\n Now if we want to respond positively,\n\n245\n00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:21.799\n we need to be able to say what some people in the Bible have said,\n\n246\n00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:23.799\n here I am sending me.\n\n247\n00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.799\n Here I am listening to you.\n\n248\n00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.799\n But sometimes it's sorry, didn't quite hear that.\n\n249\n00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.799\n Did you mean this other thing that I really wanted?\n\n250\n00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:36.799\n But I don't want what you've suggested over here.\n\n251\n00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:38.799\n We do a lot of that.\n\n252\n00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:39.799\n We do a lot of that.\n\n253\n00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:41.799\n And his voice is very clear over here.\n\n254\n00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.799\n But we want to listen towards over on this side.\n\n255\n00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:45.799\n It's really good.\n\n256\n00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:47.799\n It's really good.\n\n257\n00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:54.799\n Yeah, I love how you're talking about how sitting in like a stillness,\n\n258\n00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:59.799\n sitting in prayer is the thing that helps us on our journeys to listen to God.\n\n259\n00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.799\n It's not just about telling God things, but about listening as well.\n\n260\n00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:08.799\n It's always great to hear it, to hear wonderful wisdom on stuff like that.\n\n261\n00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:12.799\n But I just wonder if there's any ever been like a personal moment in your life\n\n262\n00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:18.799\n where you must feel like you've hit a wall or come to a point where the road is split\n\n263\n00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:24.799\n like I've got to make a decision where prayer has helped affect your perspective\n\n264\n00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:26.799\n and helped your journey.\n\n265\n00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:31.799\n I wonder if there are any like personal examples of that in your story?\n\n266\n00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:33.799\n Oh, yeah, lots.\n\n267\n00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.799\n We have to make decisions on a daily basis.\n\n268\n00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:46.799\n And I suppose the toughest decisions for me are decisions that impact other people.\n\n269\n00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:51.799\n Because if I'm choosing for me, then I can live with the outcome.\n\n270\n00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:56.799\n If I'm faithful, if I'm okay, if I'm reckless, it's my responsibility.\n\n271\n00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.799\n I'm going to deal with it.\n\n272\n00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:05.799\n But for me, when there are decisions that impact others,\n\n273\n00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:10.799\n positively or negatively, and especially if it's potentially negatively,\n\n274\n00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:15.799\n those are the ones that I really feel need a lot of wisdom, a lot of prayer.\n\n275\n00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:21.799\n And so it's at that time when you get those forks in the road,\n\n276\n00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:29.799\n that you really have to ask for genuine wisdom and be willing to listen.\n\n277\n00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:32.799\n I can't imagine what it was like for Moses,\n\n278\n00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.799\n leading the children of Israel through the wilderness,\n\n279\n00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:37.799\n when they were so resistant.\n\n280\n00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:44.799\n And he sort of had to keep asking and keep seeking guidance\n\n281\n00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:46.799\n and keep moving ahead.\n\n282\n00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:51.799\n So I think at the most difficult times across a London journey,\n\n283\n00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:56.799\n that's when we have to keep asking.\n\n284\n00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:05.799\n And I think that's where community comes in handy as well.\n\n285\n00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:10.799\n Because if I've asked you to pray for me and with me,\n\n286\n00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:15.799\n then I'm even more empowered.\n\n287\n00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:17.799\n We're not just here to be buddies.\n\n288\n00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:18.799\n It's nice to be buddies.\n\n289\n00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:20.799\n I hope you're buddies, but it's nice.\n\n290\n00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:25.799\n It's not that all that is we're supposed to also be fellow travelers.\n\n291\n00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:27.799\n We're supposed to be companions.\n\n292\n00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:29.799\n That's good.\n\n293\n00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.799\n Following our Lord, following the good shepherd,\n\n294\n00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:35.799\n following the pillar of cloud and pillar of fire,\n\n295\n00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:38.799\n but journeying together.\n\n296\n00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:43.799\n And so when we know that we are supported by the prayers of others,\n\n297\n00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:46.799\n that becomes encouraging.\n\n298\n00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:48.799\n That's beautiful.\n\n299\n00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.799\n The wisdom is just superb.\n\n300\n00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:54.799\n You're just dropping so many good things.\n\n301\n00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:57.799\n I would love for you to kind of talk a little bit more about prayer,\n\n302\n00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:00.799\n but more about praying like the Coptic Orthodox Church.\n\n303\n00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:01.799\n I don't know.\n\n304\n00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:05.799\n I feel like that is a tradition that's filled with lots of,\n\n305\n00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:08.799\n lots of ancient traditions.\n\n306\n00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:13.799\n But what does prayer look like in the Coptic Orthodox Church space?\n\n307\n00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.799\n I don't know what's the importance of prayer.\n\n308\n00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:17.799\n Just share.\n\n309\n00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:19.799\n And we're asking because we want to learn.\n\n310\n00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:20.799\n Exactly.\n\n311\n00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:24.799\n I think prayer is the same for everyone.\n\n312\n00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:26.799\n Prayer is communication we've got.\n\n313\n00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:33.799\n And as I said, it is listening and speaking both.\n\n314\n00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.799\n And prayer is going to be different for different people,\n\n315\n00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.799\n even within our churches.\n\n316\n00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:44.799\n Because communication will communicate differently.\n\n317\n00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:47.799\n We communicate in the most impactful way.\n\n318\n00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:51.799\n So sometimes you feel like dropping a quick text,\n\n319\n00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:53.799\n we're just an emoji.\n\n320\n00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:58.799\n Sometimes you want to write a thesis on message.\n\n321\n00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:00.799\n No one's ever going to read.\n\n322\n00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.799\n You get those really annoying, really long messages that people send you.\n\n323\n00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:06.799\n You think that's not what messages are for.\n\n324\n00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:08.799\n But sometimes you want to do that.\n\n325\n00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:12.799\n And sometimes you'll make a phone call and sometimes you'll need for a coffee or for dinner.\n\n326\n00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:16.799\n And our communication with God is very similar.\n\n327\n00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:19.799\n Sometimes you would just want a quick, please help.\n\n328\n00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:22.799\n I need to hear your voice.\n\n329\n00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:28.799\n I just need to go and sit in stillness with you for a while.\n\n330\n00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:30.799\n So in the optical orthodox church,\n\n331\n00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:34.799\n there are all of those variables of prayer.\n\n332\n00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:38.799\n It starts from the very personal, what we call the arrow prayers.\n\n333\n00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:41.799\n It's just a short and sharp.\n\n334\n00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:42.799\n I've got this exam.\n\n335\n00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:43.799\n I've got a job interview.\n\n336\n00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:46.799\n I've got a difficulty with someone.\n\n337\n00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:48.799\n I know someone who's unwell.\n\n338\n00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:49.799\n I need healing.\n\n339\n00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:51.799\n That's all God needs.\n\n340\n00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:56.799\n And God doesn't need huge preamble and lots of detail.\n\n341\n00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:58.799\n He knows exactly what we're going through.\n\n342\n00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:00.799\n So I think that's important.\n\n343\n00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.799\n So we've got those short and sharp prayers.\n\n344\n00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:10.799\n But then we've got the work from the personal to the corporate.\n\n345\n00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.799\n So then we have something called the Akbar.\n\n346\n00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:16.799\n The Akbar is the book of Ali prayers.\n\n347\n00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:18.799\n And we have seven of those.\n\n348\n00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:24.799\n And they relate to particular stages of the day and the life of Christ.\n\n349\n00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:28.799\n So the first hour is the,\n\n350\n00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:34.799\n is the beginning, the apostles, the breaking of dawn, that kind of thing.\n\n351\n00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:39.799\n The third hour is the descent of the Holy Spirit.\n\n352\n00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:43.799\n The third hour, 6,000 crucifixion, 9th hour of death on the cross.\n\n353\n00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:48.799\n And so each one of those follows a particular structure.\n\n354\n00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:51.799\n So you would start with something called the prayer of Thanksgiving.\n\n355\n00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:56.799\n So every one of our prayers, including funerals,\n\n356\n00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:59.799\n start with something called the prayer of Thanksgiving,\n\n357\n00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:01.799\n where we're giving thanks to God.\n\n358\n00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:02.799\n And one of it says,\n\n359\n00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:07.799\n we thank you on every occasion in every condition for all things.\n\n360\n00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:15.799\n We have covered us, helped us, accepted us to you, spared us, supported us, brought us to this hour.\n\n361\n00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:22.799\n And so it's God, whatever we've been through, whatever I'm going through now, I thank you.\n\n362\n00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:27.799\n Because if it is joyous, then I'm rejoicing.\n\n363\n00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:33.799\n And if it's difficult, then I know you're supporting me through it or you're building me through it.\n\n364\n00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:35.799\n And so I thank you for it.\n\n365\n00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:37.799\n Start with that prayer of Thanksgiving.\n\n366\n00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:42.799\n Then it goes into Psalm 50,\n\n367\n00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.799\n where you'll have mercy upon me, oh God, because of your loving kindness.\n\n368\n00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:48.799\n And so you're saying to God,\n\n369\n00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.799\n I love you, so please have mercy on me.\n\n370\n00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:59.799\n And you go through, you know, purge me with His help, so cleanse me, prepare me.\n\n371\n00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:05.799\n And then for each hour, we'd have a series of Psalms that correspond to that theme.\n\n372\n00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:10.799\n So during the third hour, if we talk about the sentence of Holy Spirit, we have Psalms.\n\n373\n00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:12.799\n And then you have a gospel reading.\n\n374\n00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:17.799\n So again, for the third hour, it will be when the Holy Spirit comes.\n\n375\n00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.799\n And then a small prayer after it.\n\n376\n00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:22.799\n So that happens.\n\n377\n00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.799\n So of course, not everyone does the seven prayers.\n\n378\n00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:31.799\n And people now being in a modern life context, when people come to spiritual advice,\n\n379\n00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:39.799\n I might say, do a couple of them, I might say, you know, within a couple just to bits and pieces.\n\n380\n00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:41.799\n Prayer is a very personal thing.\n\n381\n00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:43.799\n And so we have to make it work personally.\n\n382\n00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:49.799\n This is not about imposing, you know, hard and fast rules.\n\n383\n00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:50.799\n Yeah.\n\n384\n00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:54.799\n Because what works for either of you may not work for me.\n\n385\n00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:58.799\n And the baseline of prayer is communication with God.\n\n386\n00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:00.799\n So if it's not working, it's not working.\n\n387\n00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:02.799\n There's no point in forcing it.\n\n388\n00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.799\n We have to be resilient sometimes.\n\n389\n00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:10.799\n You know, if you're trying to give someone a call and you call once, twice, three times,\n\n390\n00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:14.799\n and no answer, you try again, or you send a message or you go and knock on the door.\n\n391\n00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.799\n So sometimes you have to be persistent.\n\n392\n00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:23.799\n But we have to find the way that helps us best to communicate with God.\n\n393\n00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:25.799\n Great.\n\n394\n00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:26.799\n So does that then?\n\n395\n00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.799\n More formally, we have liturgical prayers for the Mass.\n\n396\n00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:38.799\n If any of your viewers are accustomed to Roman Catholic masses or hand-licant masses,\n\n397\n00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.799\n it's a Mass, it's a Eucharistic service.\n\n398\n00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:46.799\n Where prayers, you have communion, that's a corporate prayer.\n\n399\n00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.799\n You know, that's us coming together because as the body of Christ,\n\n400\n00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:54.799\n we pray together, we stand together, we lift up our hands and our hearts together.\n\n401\n00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:59.799\n And as with every service I've attended of every church,\n\n402\n00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.799\n there is a part called the anaphora where the priest will turn around and say,\n\n403\n00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.799\n the Lord was with you and you'll say, and with your spirit.\n\n404\n00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:13.799\n And let us lift up our hearts and you'll say, they are with the Lord.\n\n405\n00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:18.799\n So I'm sure you've heard that in other service, that's in our service as well.\n\n406\n00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:24.799\n So in most services, there is some sort of manifestation of that sentiment.\n\n407\n00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:31.799\n And I think that goes back to our common origins and heritage.\n\n408\n00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:38.799\n You know, before this mess we've gotten ourselves into, we were one church.\n\n409\n00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:44.799\n From Jerusalem, we were one church.\n\n410\n00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:49.799\n In our liturgies, we have a litany of the church.\n\n411\n00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:58.799\n And in every service we pray for the peace of the one early universal apostolic church.\n\n412\n00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:02.799\n And I do a lot of ecumenical work.\n\n413\n00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:07.799\n When that's going to happen, who knows, I don't know, might be my lifetime, probably not.\n\n414\n00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:09.799\n But we keep working towards it.\n\n415\n00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:14.799\n The fact that we come from different Christian traditions.\n\n416\n00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:16.799\n But we're here speaking.\n\n417\n00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:21.799\n And I've got to tell you, you guys, the grace on your faces is beautiful.\n\n418\n00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:27.799\n Because I can see it that when you're listening and you're responding and you're kind and you're gracious.\n\n419\n00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:29.799\n And that is just a spirit of God.\n\n420\n00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.799\n And that's beautiful. That's what we share.\n\n421\n00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:33.799\n We all share.\n\n422\n00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:39.799\n Rather than focusing on what separates us and their challenges and the divisions.\n\n423\n00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:41.799\n Which all exists.\n\n424\n00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.799\n We can't paper over those.\n\n425\n00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.799\n They exist. Then we have to deal with them.\n\n426\n00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:49.799\n But they're not the focus.\n\n427\n00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:51.799\n They're not the focus.\n\n428\n00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:53.799\n We have so much more that we share.\n\n429\n00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.799\n We have so much more in common.\n\n430\n00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.799\n We have so much more we can do together.\n\n431\n00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:02.799\n And I think so.\n\n432\n00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:04.799\n That's our Eucharistic prayer.\n\n433\n00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:10.799\n And as I said, we pray for the one universal church, the church of God.\n\n434\n00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:17.799\n To be once again, the fulfillment of what our Lord said that there'll be one flock or one shepherd.\n\n435\n00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:20.799\n And he is Asha.\n\n436\n00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:21.799\n It's amazing.\n\n437\n00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.799\n It's so awesome to hear.\n\n438\n00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:29.799\n One for normal traditions, but also the encouragement for unity.\n\n439\n00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:32.799\n Again, more than ever at the moment.\n\n440\n00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.799\n And it's beautiful.\n\n441\n00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:39.799\n It's beautiful to be able to be sat having a conversation from different cultures, different backgrounds.\n\n442\n00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:41.799\n About one God.\n\n443\n00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.799\n And I guess currently in the church.\n\n444\n00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:51.799\n We're seeing lots of different themes and different kind of.\n\n445\n00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.799\n Yeah, similar, but same.\n\n446\n00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.799\n Things happening, which is lots of people suddenly spiritually open.\n\n447\n00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:01.799\n Yeah.\n\n448\n00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:02.799\n And coming to God.\n\n449\n00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:03.799\n Yeah.\n\n450\n00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:05.799\n I know you're seeing that at your church.\n\n451\n00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:07.799\n We get means only goes to different churches.\n\n452\n00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:09.799\n We're both seeing it in different contexts.\n\n453\n00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.799\n I wonder what you're seeing in your context as well, Archbishop.\n\n454\n00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:19.799\n And the part I just wondered what your thoughts were of this whole Gen Z thing.\n\n455\n00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:24.799\n You know, lots of Gen Z supposedly becoming spiritual and coming to faith.\n\n456\n00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:29.799\n What do you think God is doing in the UK church specifically at the moment?\n\n457\n00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:30.799\n Okay.\n\n458\n00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:36.799\n You see, I think God is always doing the same thing.\n\n459\n00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:38.799\n It's our response to the difference.\n\n460\n00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.799\n God is always calling us to Him.\n\n461\n00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:42.799\n It's great.\n\n462\n00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.799\n If I ever got to, you know, I do lots of youth conferences during the year.\n\n463\n00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:51.799\n I can guarantee you, because what I'll do is I'll give a talk and then we'll get questions at the end.\n\n464\n00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.799\n I can pretty much guarantee you every time I got those questions.\n\n465\n00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.799\n You'll get one question, which is, how do I know God's will?\n\n466\n00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:05.799\n I'm sure we all grapple with that, whether you're thinking of which school to go to,\n\n467\n00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:09.799\n which college to go to, which job to take, which person to share your life with,\n\n468\n00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:13.799\n which ministry to take, all of that.\n\n469\n00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:19.799\n And I'm always encouraged by the, I have a really easy, like, cop out,\n\n470\n00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:25.799\n which is, this is the perfect will of God, your sanctification.\n\n471\n00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.799\n So what is the will of God for me?\n\n472\n00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:28.799\n My sanctification.\n\n473\n00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:34.799\n Whatever that means, whether it's your course, your job, your partner, your life, your ministry,\n\n474\n00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:35.799\n it's sanctification.\n\n475\n00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:37.799\n That's what He calls us to.\n\n476\n00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.799\n Wow, it's great.\n\n477\n00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.799\n I also think, and this is me having a minor rant, so please prepare.\n\n478\n00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:46.799\n We welcome the rant.\n\n479\n00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:47.799\n Grant coming.\n\n480\n00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:48.799\n Welcome.\n\n481\n00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:55.799\n We have got to fight against this ridiculous narrative.\n\n482\n00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:57.799\n That faith is not important.\n\n483\n00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.799\n That the church is dead.\n\n484\n00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:01.799\n Christianity is irrelevant.\n\n485\n00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:03.799\n That is not what I see.\n\n486\n00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:05.799\n It's not what I see in my church.\n\n487\n00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.799\n It's not what I see in lots of churches.\n\n488\n00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:13.799\n It's, I see, you know, as I said, I've been here for 30 years.\n\n489\n00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:15.799\n I think the church is the strongest.\n\n490\n00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.799\n It has ever been since I've been here.\n\n491\n00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.799\n I see so many, you know, different churches, whether it's the Blackled churches,\n\n492\n00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:27.799\n whether it's the Evangelical, Pentecostal, Charismatic, you know, the,\n\n493\n00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.799\n sort of the Church of England parishes, the Catholic churches,\n\n494\n00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:37.799\n the church in tall manifestation, Orthodoxy, there is, there is a dynamic church.\n\n495\n00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.799\n There is a dynamic presence.\n\n496\n00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:40.799\n It's encouraging.\n\n497\n00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:42.799\n Really encouraging.\n\n498\n00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.799\n And we've, we've got to fight against that narrative.\n\n499\n00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:51.799\n When people say to you, oh, but most people, and I'll stop them and say,\n\n500\n00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:53.799\n what is most people?\n\n501\n00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:54.799\n How do you define that?\n\n502\n00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:56.799\n And who have you actually spoken to?\n\n503\n00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.799\n You know, because the five people who are sitting around your coffee table\n\n504\n00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.799\n having a rant about their church, that is not most people.\n\n505\n00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.799\n We've got to look at where the church is alive.\n\n506\n00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:12.800\n We've got to look at where the church is still a vehicle of grace\n\n507\n00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.800\n and a vehicle of God's message.\n\n508\n00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:23.800\n We become, I think, insulators to that message sometimes,\n\n509\n00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:27.800\n where we don't allow it to be communicated through us.\n\n510\n00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.800\n And so if that's a problem, it's a problem with us.\n\n511\n00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.800\n But I think that the world needs the church more than ever.\n\n512\n00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:37.800\n Yeah.\n\n513\n00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:44.800\n You know, I, I do a lot of ecumenical work.\n\n514\n00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:49.800\n This year is a very important year for the church.\n\n515\n00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:55.800\n So in, take you back a little bit to 385, 385 AD, right?\n\n516\n00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.800\n The Council of My Seer.\n\n517\n00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:02.800\n There was a heresy that challenged the divinity of Christ.\n\n518\n00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.800\n And the church came together and it addressed this heresy\n\n519\n00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.800\n and it said, no, we are speaking of a God who is light from light,\n\n520\n00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:14.800\n true God from true God, bigotum not created.\n\n521\n00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.800\n Now, you'll recognize those words from the Creed.\n\n522\n00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:18.800\n Yeah.\n\n523\n00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:19.800\n Right?\n\n524\n00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:23.800\n 325 AD, Council of My Seer is where the Creed was written.\n\n525\n00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:30.800\n So this year marks 1700 years since that day.\n\n526\n00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:31.800\n Wow.\n\n527\n00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.800\n And doing a variety of things this year to do with that.\n\n528\n00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.800\n And it's encouraging because that is something we can all share\n\n529\n00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.800\n as the church means, all celebrated as the church.\n\n530\n00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:48.800\n You know, I recognize that some churches don't use the Creed as the Creed.\n\n531\n00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:53.800\n And the vast majority of Christians around the world are credo.\n\n532\n00:35:53.800 --> 00:36:00.800\n And even if people don't recite the Creed, they will accept and believe\n\n533\n00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.800\n in everything in the Creed.\n\n534\n00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:09.800\n So that is a common point of celebration within this this year,\n\n535\n00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:11.800\n which is really important.\n\n536\n00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:15.800\n And the more we find common ground,\n\n537\n00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.800\n and the more we find things to work together on,\n\n538\n00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:25.800\n the more that will become real.\n\n539\n00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.800\n But it's not just in terms of discussion of theology.\n\n540\n00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:33.800\n I mean, I think back to the pandemic.\n\n541\n00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:34.800\n Right?\n\n542\n00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.800\n That is where the church was shining.\n\n543\n00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:41.800\n Because suddenly you had all the social work,\n\n544\n00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.800\n you had the food banks, you had the visitations,\n\n545\n00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:47.800\n you had people dropping off medication to people.\n\n546\n00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:49.800\n They had neighbors asking about each other.\n\n547\n00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.800\n You had prayer meetings online.\n\n548\n00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.800\n The church became the church.\n\n549\n00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:59.800\n And that's one of the most important.\n\n550\n00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.800\n And back then it was all of us working together and witnessing together\n\n551\n00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:07.800\n and giving hope together.\n\n552\n00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.800\n So yeah, I think there is a lot we can do together.\n\n553\n00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:17.800\n And I'm a firm believer in that.\n\n554\n00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:21.800\n So I'm assuming you two have been friends for a while.\n\n555\n00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:24.800\n I'm sure there are things you differ on.\n\n556\n00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:29.800\n But that doesn't become the focus of your conversation every time you meet.\n\n557\n00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:30.800\n Right?\n\n558\n00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.800\n You focus on what you have in common, friends you have in common,\n\n559\n00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:35.800\n your ministry here, your work,\n\n560\n00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.800\n whereas maybe as churches every time you come together,\n\n561\n00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.800\n you're like, okay, what do we differ on?\n\n562\n00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:41.800\n I think that's not a starting point.\n\n563\n00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:42.800\n Yeah.\n\n564\n00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:44.800\n That's what we should be doing.\n\n565\n00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:51.800\n Yeah, we, I think we need to address that.\n\n566\n00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:53.800\n And I think that was the perfect time.\n\n567\n00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:55.800\n I mean, what we're seeing,\n\n568\n00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.800\n what we're seeing in the church of like more people coming to church\n\n569\n00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.800\n and now more than ever, why aren't we unified?\n\n570\n00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.800\n You know, why aren't more now than ever?\n\n571\n00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:03.800\n Aren't we on the same page?\n\n572\n00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.800\n And I think like he said, it's us doing this together.\n\n573\n00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.800\n And well, they were seeing like great stats.\n\n574\n00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:11.800\n Like there's a stat that says like,\n\n575\n00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:13.800\n there's two million more people that are going to church now\n\n576\n00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.800\n than there was like six years ago in the UK,\n\n577\n00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:16.800\n which is great.\n\n578\n00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.800\n But in London alone, there's like nine million people\n\n579\n00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:20.800\n that live in London.\n\n580\n00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.800\n So like again, great feat.\n\n581\n00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.800\n But also guys, let's get on the same page\n\n582\n00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.800\n because people need the gospel.\n\n583\n00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:28.800\n Like the church needs to be active,\n\n584\n00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:30.800\n which also means that like for a lot of us,\n\n585\n00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.800\n we might have friends or family or no people\n\n586\n00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:34.800\n that are coming to faith in exploring church.\n\n587\n00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:35.800\n And that's fun.\n\n588\n00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:37.800\n But then that means there's also a lot of people that aren't\n\n589\n00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:38.800\n in our lives.\n\n590\n00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:40.800\n And I think, you know, for us that are seeing,\n\n591\n00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.800\n maybe we've got friends that aren't in the faith\n\n592\n00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.800\n or we've got, you know, colleagues or whoever.\n\n593\n00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:47.800\n Like I guess what encouragement would you give for us\n\n594\n00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:49.800\n on how we could be praying?\n\n595\n00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:50.800\n Like has a church as young people?\n\n596\n00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.800\n How could we be praying for those that aren't in the faith\n\n597\n00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:56.800\n or for those to find Jesus?\n\n598\n00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.800\n I think the first realization goes a little bit\n\n599\n00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:07.800\n against our own pride as human beings.\n\n600\n00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:11.800\n And that is that we are never making the difference.\n\n601\n00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:16.800\n We are calling people to experience difference that God makes.\n\n602\n00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:17.800\n Wow.\n\n603\n00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:18.800\n Right?\n\n604\n00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:20.800\n So quite often we put that responsibility on ourselves.\n\n605\n00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.800\n I've got to do this.\n\n606\n00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:23.800\n We have to do this.\n\n607\n00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:24.800\n No, we don't.\n\n608\n00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:26.800\n We just got to get out of the way and let God work.\n\n609\n00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:32.800\n The best we can do, the best we can do is reflect.\n\n610\n00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.800\n You know, optimal reflect his light.\n\n611\n00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.800\n If you can't do that, get out of the way and let him shine.\n\n612\n00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:39.800\n Don't be an obstacle.\n\n613\n00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:40.800\n So you get.\n\n614\n00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:46.800\n And so I think if we just let God work and we become conduits\n\n615\n00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.800\n of his work and mirrors of his work,\n\n616\n00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.800\n it makes such a difference.\n\n617\n00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:59.800\n And I think\n\n618\n00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.800\n growing up in a Catholic school,\n\n619\n00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.800\n there was just one him that we always used to pray.\n\n620\n00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:05.800\n It just came to me now.\n\n621\n00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.800\n You know, and they will know we are Christians by our love.\n\n622\n00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:09.800\n Right?\n\n623\n00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.800\n That was one of the lines.\n\n624\n00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.800\n You can tell a Christian.\n\n625\n00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:18.800\n And listen, does it make us better than anyone else?\n\n626\n00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:20.800\n I'm not saying there is nothing more annoying\n\n627\n00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.800\n than a triumphalist arrogant Christian.\n\n628\n00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:24.800\n I believe religion.\n\n629\n00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:27.800\n Because that is so far from the image of Christ.\n\n630\n00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:28.800\n Right.\n\n631\n00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.800\n So.\n\n632\n00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:33.800\n But you can tell.\n\n633\n00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:37.800\n Because when grace and grace of God shines through us,\n\n634\n00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:41.800\n it is irrefutable.\n\n635\n00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:48.800\n And so we need to be able to be conduits, conductors of that grace.\n\n636\n00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.800\n And when we do that, that's what makes a difference.\n\n637\n00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:55.800\n With all due respect to you and everybody else,\n\n638\n00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.800\n we are not the ones who make a difference.\n\n639\n00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:58.800\n Yeah.\n\n640\n00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:00.800\n We just become vehicles and bridges.\n\n641\n00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:01.800\n So good.\n\n642\n00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.800\n And he can make all the difference\n\n643\n00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:08.800\n if we're just letting work through us.\n\n644\n00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:09.800\n Hmm.\n\n645\n00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:11.800\n Oh, it's so good.\n\n646\n00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.800\n Well, we've hit so many different places in this podcast.\n\n647\n00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:15.800\n So good.\n\n648\n00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:18.800\n I'm calling to little brushes of identity.\n\n649\n00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:20.800\n To get out of the way.\n\n650\n00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:21.800\n To get out of the way.\n\n651\n00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:22.800\n To get out of the way.\n\n652\n00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:23.800\n To get out of the way.\n\n653\n00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:25.800\n It's like, it's honestly phenomenal.\n\n654\n00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.800\n And it's such a joy to have you on the podcast.\n\n655\n00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:33.800\n I guess that as we're beginning to come to a close,\n\n656\n00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:38.800\n I'd love to just hear some final, just general thoughts and wisdom,\n\n657\n00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.800\n maybe a message that's specifically on your heart at the moment.\n\n658\n00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:43.800\n I love the fact that you are a youth worker.\n\n659\n00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.800\n I mean, we're looking for a youth pastor at the moment.\n\n660\n00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.800\n You know, if you want to apply.\n\n661\n00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:49.800\n Let me know what to send to my CV.\n\n662\n00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:55.800\n But like, it's amazing because you have a heart for youth.\n\n663\n00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:56.800\n And so do we.\n\n664\n00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:57.800\n A heart for students.\n\n665\n00:41:57.800 --> 00:41:58.800\n And so do we.\n\n666\n00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:03.800\n And I guess, is there any specific message or thing on your heart\n\n667\n00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.800\n that you'd love to communicate before we come to a close\n\n668\n00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:08.800\n to that kind of generation to Gen Z.\n\n669\n00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:10.800\n But also to whoever's watching.\n\n670\n00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.800\n We'll have 40 year olds watching 50 year olds.\n\n671\n00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:14.800\n Hopefully, one more.\n\n672\n00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.800\n I'm glad you're thinking that 40 for the upper range.\n\n673\n00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:18.800\n Yeah.\n\n674\n00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:21.800\n I love that.\n\n675\n00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:23.800\n Anyway, we'll talk about young people's history.\n\n676\n00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:24.800\n Yeah.\n\n677\n00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:25.800\n Yeah.\n\n678\n00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:27.800\n We know when you go to the Middle East and you go to youth meetings.\n\n679\n00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.800\n So youth can mean anything from like 12 to 50.\n\n680\n00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:31.800\n Okay.\n\n681\n00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:32.800\n I mean, watch your words.\n\n682\n00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:33.800\n Watch your words.\n\n683\n00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:34.800\n Yeah.\n\n684\n00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:35.800\n Watch your words.\n\n685\n00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:36.800\n Yeah.\n\n686\n00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:38.800\n Don't lose hope.\n\n687\n00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:40.800\n Don't lose hope.\n\n688\n00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.800\n Don't believe.\n\n689\n00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.800\n The prophets of doom.\n\n690\n00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:52.800\n Don't give opportunity to those who will take your hope away from you.\n\n691\n00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:54.800\n Because God is our hope.\n\n692\n00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:55.800\n Yeah.\n\n693\n00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:01.800\n And in the darkest times He shines most.\n\n694\n00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:10.800\n And at times when we are most in pain and in need,\n\n695\n00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.800\n that's when He'll make the greatest difference.\n\n696\n00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:21.800\n So growing up now is a real challenge.\n\n697\n00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:25.800\n If you think about everything surrounding young people now,\n\n698\n00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:30.800\n and then generations that are coming are going to be even more challenging.\n\n699\n00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:32.800\n Life is more complicated.\n\n700\n00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:38.800\n I'm not saying life wasn't hard, but there are difficulties and there are difficulties.\n\n701\n00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:47.800\n And now even the most simple realities are being challenged.\n\n702\n00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:53.800\n It's like we're constantly being told there is no absolute anymore.\n\n703\n00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:55.800\n But we know there is.\n\n704\n00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:56.800\n Yeah.\n\n705\n00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.800\n And so we've got to not buy into that.\n\n706\n00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:01.800\n So yeah, it's tough growing up now.\n\n707\n00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:03.800\n And it's tough making decisions.\n\n708\n00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:13.800\n And it's tough navigating ethical issues and moral issues and trying to live a good life.\n\n709\n00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:22.800\n But I have seen so many incredibly inspiring young people, both in my church and outside,\n\n710\n00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:28.800\n like the tour of you and many people who are on your podcast.\n\n711\n00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.800\n And I'm encouraged by that.\n\n712\n00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.800\n And I'm encouraged personally because I think, okay, there's still grace in the world.\n\n713\n00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:36.800\n God is still there.\n\n714\n00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:37.800\n He's still working for people.\n\n715\n00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:38.800\n But I also learn.\n\n716\n00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.800\n I don't know not from young people.\n\n717\n00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:46.800\n I learn hope and resilience and creativity.\n\n718\n00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:52.800\n And I think being around the young people I serve, again within the community or outside the community,\n\n719\n00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.800\n I've learned to be more creative.\n\n720\n00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:02.800\n And to give them more space to work.\n\n721\n00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:03.800\n So there are two things.\n\n722\n00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:05.800\n And they're going to see in paradoxical.\n\n723\n00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.800\n I don't believe that young people are the church of the future.\n\n724\n00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:10.800\n I think they're now.\n\n725\n00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:14.800\n So I think saying you're the future just kicks it down the road.\n\n726\n00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:16.800\n But I think it's now.\n\n727\n00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:19.800\n But with all my love and respect for young people, I also don't believe.\n\n728\n00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.800\n And let's all hand it all over to them.\n\n729\n00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.800\n Because the church is a continuity.\n\n730\n00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:28.800\n The church is all of us.\n\n731\n00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:33.800\n You know, I'm not going to serve you with the inclusion of your parents or your grandparents.\n\n732\n00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:38.800\n Because they have every right to be served and every right to be heard and every right to be ministered to.\n\n733\n00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:45.800\n And if we nurture a self, a generation of selfish young people,\n\n734\n00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:46.800\n one of doing the many things.\n\n735\n00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:47.800\n Wow.\n\n736\n00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:48.800\n Wow.\n\n737\n00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.800\n I think, you know, I don't board your respect.\n\n738\n00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.800\n I don't think young people are the center of the universe.\n\n739\n00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:55.800\n Yeah.\n\n740\n00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:57.800\n I think every person is the center of the universe.\n\n741\n00:45:57.800 --> 00:45:58.800\n Yeah.\n\n742\n00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:05.800\n And when we teach young people to respect those who have gone before them\n\n743\n00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.800\n and follow in their footsteps and do things even better,\n\n744\n00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:13.800\n and we teach older people to respect those who are coming behind them\n\n745\n00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.800\n and to empower and enable them, then we get the beauty of the church.\n\n746\n00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:18.800\n So good.\n\n747\n00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:22.800\n And I think that's really important.\n\n748\n00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.800\n It doesn't have to be this polarity.\n\n749\n00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:28.800\n We don't have to do it between young and old men and women.\n\n750\n00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:29.800\n All of that.\n\n751\n00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:30.800\n Yeah.\n\n752\n00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:31.800\n It's not the way it is.\n\n753\n00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:42.800\n The church is a beautiful, beautiful mosaic of little tiles\n\n754\n00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:46.800\n that in and of themselves may look relatively insignificant.\n\n755\n00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.800\n But when they put in the right spot\n\n756\n00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.800\n and they come together and work,\n\n757\n00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:56.800\n you get a beautiful mosaic.\n\n758\n00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:57.800\n Yeah.\n\n759\n00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:01.800\n And I think each and every one of us just has to be that tile\n\n760\n00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:06.800\n allow God to put us in the right space and then stand back.\n\n761\n00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:07.800\n Yeah.\n\n762\n00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:08.800\n And see.\n\n763\n00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:10.800\n So good.\n\n764\n00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:12.800\n Archbishop, that is so good.\n\n765\n00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.800\n That's such a word that we need to hear genuinely.\n\n766\n00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.800\n And such a word inspired by God.\n\n767\n00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:21.800\n You know, God's words are always good.\n\n768\n00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.800\n I can sit and talk for hours.\n\n769\n00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:25.800\n I don't think these poor people wouldn't listen for hours.\n\n770\n00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:28.800\n But I can sit and talk for hours because I love it.\n\n771\n00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.800\n Because God's word is so good.\n\n772\n00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:32.800\n Yeah.\n\n773\n00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:35.800\n And there is so much to share.\n\n774\n00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.800\n If we share it properly, if we make it relevant\n\n775\n00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.800\n and if we make it accessible.\n\n776\n00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:46.800\n But we sometimes try to become gatekeepers,\n\n777\n00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.800\n the God's word, or we come obstacles to God's word.\n\n778\n00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.800\n And neither of those is helpful.\n\n779\n00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:54.800\n Hmm.\n\n780\n00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:56.800\n Hmm.\n\n781\n00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:57.800\n That's.\n\n782\n00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:59.800\n It's a good challenge.\n\n783\n00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:01.800\n I love it.\n\n784\n00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:02.800\n I love so much.\n\n785\n00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:09.800\n The gentle encouragement, the storytelling which speaks lessons\n\n786\n00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:12.800\n and then the gentle challenges at the end.\n\n787\n00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:13.800\n It's very good.\n\n788\n00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:14.800\n It was amazing.\n\n789\n00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:15.800\n Yeah.\n\n790\n00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.800\n Awesome experiences for me to listen to that alone.\n\n791\n00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.800\n Hopefully you guys are watching at home.\n\n792\n00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:25.800\n And guys, thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of the podcast.\n\n793\n00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:26.800\n Thanks for watching.\n\n794\n00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:28.800\n And thank you, Archbishop, for joining us.\n\n795\n00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:30.800\n It was so kind of you.\n\n796\n00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:31.800\n Come out of your way.\n\n797\n00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:33.800\n And make sure that you tune in.\n\n798\n00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:36.800\n Like and subscribe and do all that stuff.\n\n799\n00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:40.800\n Like and subscribe to the podcast next week or whatever content we push out.\n\n800\n00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.800\n But we will see you very soon.\n\n801\n00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:44.800\n Good bless you guys and see you later.\n\n802\n00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:45.800\n Bye.\n","transcription_info":{"language":"en","language_probability":1,"duration":2925.8,"duration_after_vad":2925.8}}